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My original point was not very clear?
I shall repost for your benefit:
So, let's take a look at that. On we go, slowly, if you need it....
You'll find in the 2nd part, stated flat-out, "I don't need to bring science into it, nor religion, because they have nothing to do with my stance."
I know, I boldfaced it, but you didn't seem to catch it before.
Just want to be helpful.
You really just see what you want to see.
Let's also move down a bit (it's only a double-space down, see it? Right there?) where I say I do support full civil unions.
So you see (maybe?? I don't want to take anything for granted) that your assertion that I "want to deny the 1400 civil rights" associated w/ marriage is, alas, false.
Either way, your agenda is irritating.
I'm bored with you now.
Have a lovely day.
Civil unions do not convey all the rights and protections that "marriage" does, however. Do they?
*Why* do you believe that marriage is between "one man and one woman"? Based on what? It's evidently not science or religion, so that leaves......?
@maja - You left off an option for "This commercial doesn't sway me in either direction." I support gay/same-sex marriage 100%. This commercial has absolutely nothing to do with that support, however.
I said: Probably because there's no neutral button.
It translates to: A lot of people didn't vote either way because the poll has loaded answers (which is purposefully done). However, if a neutral-styled response were included (such as: This ad made no difference in my opinion), you would find that most people aren't swayed in either direction by this ad. The poll, as currently showed, is designed intentionally to receive the responses that the OP wishes to see.
Your premise that the poll numbers are skewed because there was no neutral choice given is invalid. Those adamantly in harmony with answer #1 checked that one. Those adamantly in harmony with answer #2 checked that one. Those who didn't care one way or another checked neither. Indeed, a number of posters have stated it didn't alter their opinion one way or the other and lamented that there was no third choice.
ETA: Now that I think more about it, TWO more choices would have given a better picture:
My opinion is not altered; I am still opposed to homosexual marriage
and
My opinion is not altered; I am still in favor of homosexual marriage.
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Civil unions do not convey all the rights and protections that "marriage" does, however. Do they?
*Why* do you believe that marriage is between "one man and one woman"? Based on what? It's evidently not science or religion, so that leaves......?
@maja - You left off an option for "This commercial doesn't sway me in either direction." I support gay/same-sex marriage 100%. This commercial has absolutely nothing to do with that support, however.
First time I've posted a poll. Based on feedback, I will add a neutral category next time. Although, I think so far those who feel like you have done the same thing regardless of whether they support it or not, so it shouldn't make much difference.
Your premise that the poll numbers are skewed because there was no neutral choice given is invalid.
Not really, as the fact that there isn't a choice for those who don't give two hoots about this video is not there, therefore the poll results are anything but accurate.
I think with all the child sexual abuse cases now they had to drop those issues or be driven out of town on a rail. Just think if the people 39 years ago had said yes to all of these demands.
They'll let the muslims push polygamy for them. As for age of consent, ageism is discrimination!
Q: Why do you oppose age-of-consent laws?
A: Opposing age-of-consent laws is not our only focus; it is one part of our broader criticism of North American social and legal practices. We believe that these laws do great harm to people and relationships that do not deserve to feel the crushing weight of the heavy hand of the law. Just as important, age-of-consent laws do not adequately protect young people. They have often been applied arbitrarily and unjustly, and have long been used to terrorize gay males. Gay youth in particular have been targets of extreme persecution through the selective application of age-of-consent laws.
Q: What is this “ageism†you refer to?
A: Ageism refers to age-based discrimination, and includes the tendency to discount and devalue the feelings and opinions of children and youth. This tendency pervades our society and has implications in every area of a young person’s daily life: at home, at work, while shopping, hanging out with friends or going places, and especially at school. It has the socially corrosive -- and costly -- effect of breeding fear and distrust between the generations and isolating them from each other. http://www.nambla.org/faq.html
Not really, as the fact that there isn't a choice for those who don't give two hoots about this video is not there, therefore the poll results are anything but accurate.
As far as it goes, the poll results are accurate. If neither choice reflected your views, you had the option to not click either option. As it is, those who chose one or the other made their choice and the poll reflects those choices.
The poll may not be all-inclusive but it is accurate.
This shows a full lack of understanding of biology or evolution.
Homosexuality is nature's response to overpopulation. That simple. It's a small check in a system that is, for the vast majority, heterosexual.
Interesting. I have never heard that position argued. I thought homosexuals usually believe that hte percentage of homosexuals in the population has remained fairly constant over time. We have evidence of homsexuality thousands of years ago and the Earth was nowhere near overpopulated then.
Interesting. I have never heard that position argued. I thought homosexuals usually believe that hte percentage of homosexuals in the population has remained fairly constant over time. We have evidence of homsexuality thousands of years ago and the Earth was nowhere near overpopulated then.
This is why I am still confused about it and IMO most other heterosexuals. If homosexuality was so good I am sure it would have been part of society from the beginning and accepted by all. You can call it evolution of societies. It seems to have been rejected since most main stream societies do not see it as an accepted thing.
I am leaving religion and politics out of it to just explore homosexuality's purpose. It has been all guess work as to the reasons for it anyway. Even people who are not religious reject it. The rejection can't be just because the bible says so. Even those societies that accepted polygamy rejected homosexuality.
All I can think of is the propagation of the species. Societies were afraid of becoming extent. Homosexuality threatens it with extinction. THAT IS INBRED, THAT IS HARD TO OVERCOME. Evolution at it's core purpose to guarantee species surviva, otherwise we would have all died out.
This is why I am still confused about it and IMO most other heterosexuals. If homosexuality was so good I am sure it would have been part of society from the beginning and accepted by all. You can call it evolution of societies. It seems to have been rejected since most main stream societies do not see it as an accepted thing.
I am leaving religion and politics out of it to just explore homosexuality's purpose. It has been all guess work as to the reasons for it anyway. Even people who are not religious reject it. The rejection can't be just because the bible says so. Even those societies that accepted polygamy rejected homosexuality.
All I can think of is the propagation of the species. Societies were afraid of becoming extent. Homosexuality threatens it with extinction. THAT IS INBRED, THAT IS HARD TO OVERCOME. Evolution at it's core purpose to guarantee species surviva, otherwise we would have all died out.
You have been given examples of societies that accepted homosexuality. You refused to accept the examples. Don't claim otherwise.
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My original point was not very clear? 
