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equal protection under the law does not mean forcing gay marriage on a populace that doesn't want it. It's not about rights, when you reject civil unions, which provide for same. Why are liberals so hung up on changing our language? Marriage is an institution based on one man one woman - you don't have any RIGHT to redefine it.
We have every right to redefine it. What country are you living in?
Right now you have the freedom not to marry another male - so don't do it (if you like).
HOWEVER were I in charge I might FORCE you to marry another guy, just to teach you a valuable lesson.
Rights are not "special" if they apply or protect EVERYONE. Nobody is asking for quotas for gays, or special housing vouchers, or anything like that.
Understand this one basic example, to see how absurd your position is: Laws that protect against being fired from work because of your race apply to both black people AND everyone else, and therefore are not SPECIAL rights for black people, even if they were originally passed to address systemic discrimination against blacks. Any number of lawsuits have been brought and won by whites, Asians, etc. claiming discrimination under the law originally passed to redress wrongs to blacks!!
Yea, right. I'm sure there's an avalance of hate crimes based on heterosexuality. And employment discrimination because of an employee's heterosexuality is running rampant--- at gay mags and gay cruises. 'Sexual orientation' laws were developed For the gay orientation. Special people.
Yea, right. I'm sure there's an avalance of hate crimes based on heterosexuality. And employment discrimination because of an employee's heterosexuality is running rampant--- at gay mags and gay cruises. 'Sexual orientation' laws were developed For the gay orientation. Special people.
Don't be dense. The fact that there aren't lots of prosecutions for hate crimes against heterosexuals by homosexuals does not speak to the neutrality of the law on its face.
All you have done is shown that there is little to no NEED for straight people to take advantage of sexual orientation protections in the workplace or in public?
Ever stop to think MAYBE there is little to no incidence of gay people beating up straight people for being straight? Ya know, because most gay people have straight family members, moms, dads, brothers, sisters who they love?
But wait, if sexual orientation discrimination laws are for "special" gay people, WHY are SOME STRAIGHT people using same when appropriate?!:
John Klassen recently represented three clients in discrimination, harassment and retaliation cases against the Minneapolis Fire Department and its former fire chief. These high-profile cases involved same-sex and reverse sexual discrimination, sexual harassment, and gender discrimination claims against the first openly lesbian fire chief in a major city. One of the cases is the first known reverse sexual orientation discrimination case in the United States against the head of a large public agency. All three cases were ultimately settled favorably for the plaintiffs, and the Minneapolis Fire Chief was demoted in part because of the alleged unlawful conduct which formed these cases.
Don't be dense. The fact that there aren't lots of prosecutions for hate crimes against heterosexuals by homosexuals does not speak to the neutrality of the law on its face.
All you have done is shown that there is little to no NEED for straight people to take advantage of sexual orientation protections in the workplace or in public?
Ever stop to think MAYBE there is little to no incidence of gay people beating up straight people for being straight? Ya know, because most gay people have straight family members, moms, dads, brothers, sisters who they love?
But wait, if sexual orientation discrimination laws are for "special" gay people, WHY are SOME STRAIGHT people using same when appropriate?!:
John Klassen recently represented three clients in discrimination, harassment and retaliation cases against the Minneapolis Fire Department and its former fire chief. These high-profile cases involved same-sex and reverse sexual discrimination, sexual harassment, and gender discrimination claims against the first openly lesbian fire chief in a major city. One of the cases is the first known reverse sexual orientation discrimination case in the United States against the head of a large public agency. All three cases were ultimately settled favorably for the plaintiffs, and the Minneapolis Fire Chief was demoted in part because of the alleged unlawful conduct which formed these cases.
Let's say it again: Laws and rights that protect EVERYONE on their face ARE NOT SPECIAL LAWS AND RIGHTS!
You're being obtuse. The federal sexual orientation hate crime law is known as the Matthew Shepard Act, not 'The Straight Guy Somewhere Who Was Murdered By The Gay Guys Act.' There wouldn't be 'sexual orientation' laws if gays weren't the object of discrimination. Those laws weren't passed to offer special protection for heterosexuals.
The civil rights laws of the '60's cover whites and men, but one must be peculiarly stubborn to argue that they weren't aimed at providing special protection to blacks and women. Equal pay laws cover everyone, but please don't tell me the goal was to protect white men from discrimination.
There are other laws, health insurance mandates come to mind, that 'facially' cover everyone, but in practice apply to specific groups and would never be passed if not for those special groups.
Lol, considering you're insistence on ignoring how pesky things called "laws" actually work!
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The federal sexual orientation hate crime law is known as the Matthew Shepard Act, not 'The Straight Guy Somewhere Who Was Murdered By The Gay Guys Act.' There wouldn't be 'sexual orientation' laws if gays weren't the object of discrimination. Those laws weren't passed to offer special protection for heterosexuals.
The catalyst for the law has NO BEARING on whether a law is a SPECIAL LAW for one group of people. The law protects EVERYONE, regardless of their sexuality.
Seriously, it doesn't take a law degree to understand.
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The civil rights laws of the '60's cover whites and men, but one must be peculiarly stubborn to argue that they weren't aimed at providing special protection to blacks and women. Equal pay laws cover everyone, but please don't tell me the goal was to protect white men from discrimination.
Again, situational aspects that led to the CREATION of a law does not mean that a law is "specially created just for X group."
Show me a situation where a white person has been denied access to redress for discrimination under the anti-discrimination laws.
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There are other laws, health insurance mandates come to mind, that 'facially' cover everyone, but in practice apply to specific groups and would never be passed if not for those special groups.
Explain how "in practice" a law is facially equal, but not applied equally if someone from outside the "special group" chose to take advantage of same. It's about OPPORTUNITY and EQUALITY under the law. If people outside a particular group don't take advantage of their rights under a law, whose fault is that?
Rights are not "special" if they apply or protect EVERYONE. Nobody is asking for quotas for gays, or special housing vouchers, or anything like that.
Understand this one basic example, to see how absurd your position is: Laws that protect against being fired from work because of your race apply to both black people AND everyone else, and therefore are not SPECIAL rights for black people, even if they were originally passed to address systemic discrimination against blacks. Any number of lawsuits have been brought and won by whites, Asians, etc. claiming discrimination under the law originally passed to redress wrongs to blacks!!
Yes, and I don't imagine they appreciate you hijacking their cause for your sexual perversion. Most blacks are religious and don't support the gay agenda.
Don't be dense. The fact that there aren't lots of prosecutions for hate crimes against heterosexuals by homosexuals does not speak to the neutrality of the law on its face.
All you have done is shown that there is little to no NEED for straight people to take advantage of sexual orientation protections in the workplace or in public?
Ever stop to think MAYBE there is little to no incidence of gay people beating up straight people for being straight? Ya know, because most gay people have straight family members, moms, dads, brothers, sisters who they love?
But wait, if sexual orientation discrimination laws are for "special" gay people, WHY are SOME STRAIGHT people using same when appropriate?!:
John Klassen recently represented three clients in discrimination, harassment and retaliation cases against the Minneapolis Fire Department and its former fire chief. These high-profile cases involved same-sex and reverse sexual discrimination, sexual harassment, and gender discrimination claims against the first openly lesbian fire chief in a major city. One of the cases is the first known reverse sexual orientation discrimination case in the United States against the head of a large public agency. All three cases were ultimately settled favorably for the plaintiffs, and the Minneapolis Fire Chief was demoted in part because of the alleged unlawful conduct which formed these cases.
It is important to really understand what is being talked about when referring to homosexuality and I don't think all of those that accept homosexuality realize what it is. It was considered a mental health condition for several years. The reason most noted for suicide is the breakup of a relationship not the fact that they cannot marry or that people "hate" them. The word "hate" is used to try to make those that find the lifestyle a celebration of sin, against the laws of God, against the laws of nature, etc.feel guilty. Separate drinking fountains? Maybe. When you look at the statistics for STDs, .......................What, homosexuals and the whatever are about 1 to 2% of the population so, with a relationship breakup............Also, have you heard the phrase "Sex before 8 or it is too late?" There is another Man-Boy some warped thing. That is probably a "recruitment" device. I remember in the 60's and 70's I heard that homosexuals only try to approach others who are really homo too. This is not true. Not even close. In the military, a heterosexual female was raped in the dayroom (think living room of the barracks) by a group of lesbians because they wanted to show her "how much fun it was". Start asking around and having serious conversations about this and you'll find it is not as rare as you think - the "approach". A male homosexual at the day center where my son attended was caught MB in front of a male client. I have heard more than one person say that they were approached by homosexuals but what to expect of such a small and desperate segment of the population. People, this is a mental health issue. Homosexuality and Mental Health Problems I know so many people who have turned off the cable/satellite because of the harmful messages being relayed. Do the research as the facts are out there. The most harm was done when they stopped considering it a mental health problem and started "celebrating" it because they are not getting the counseling that they need to deal with the many, many differences of the lifestyle that they have chosen and this is why they are committing suicide not because they can't marry or that some think the many disturbing possibilities and realities are "icky". Don't be deceived.
Yes, it's important to understand what homosexuality is. So why are you linking to NARTH? NARTH is a small religious-based fringe group who believe in "pray away the gay" and so-called "reparative" therapy which the mainstream health organizations reject because it has been shown to be ineffective, unethical and harmful.
NARTH are religiously opposed to homosexuality. Their website is chock full of misrepresentations, lies and myths about homosexuality. Even some conservative Christian psychologists have big issues with NARTH and the way they distort and misrepresent actual studies for their anti-gay agenda. http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner...kmorton.com%2F
It's like going to the KKK for information about blacks.
The murder of Mathew Shepard was not about his being gay, so it really wasn't a hate crime. It was a robbery and murder, that got used for political purposes. A crime is a crime, all murders end up with somebody dead. Hate crimes are discriminatory on their face.
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The story garnered national attention when the attack was characterized as a hate crime. But Shepard's killers, in their first interview since their convictions, tell "20/20's" Elizabeth Vargas that money and drugs motivated their actions that night, not hatred of gays.
While Shepard lay unconscious in a hospital, the national press quickly arrived in Laramie. Cal Rerucha, who prosecuted the case, told Vargas the media descended on Laramie "like locusts."
"We knew in the newsroom the day it happened, this is going to be a huge story, this is going to attract international interest," said Jason Marsden of "The Casper Star-Tribune."
"I remember one of my fellow reporters saying, 'this kid is going to be the new poster child for gay rights," he added. News of Shepard's death sparked reaction overseas and demonstrations across America.
What does a parent being gay have to do with a child being gay? Do gay parents raise gay children? You said 30% of the students were gay, etc.
Word got around to parents of gay children that it was a gay friendly school so those straight parents would send their gay children to our school so they could ensure an environment for their kids that was accepting and safe.
It also attracted a lot of gay parents cause they could attend school functions together and go to parent/teacher meetings together without questions or judgments.
It also attracted gay teachers and faculty because they didn't have to worry about getting fired based on their sexual orientation and were able to be positive role models for gay students.
In other words, it was overall a very gay-friendly atmosphere for all involved.
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