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No, I had to, the least I could do to make you feel better having seen a transformation from parroting something to the meow of a cat.
Hey, you're the one that actually knows what Hitler believed better than he did himself. That's pretty impressive .. I don't stand a chance against that.
Have you ever heard the old saying ... Figures Lie, and Liars Figure? Or ... "there are lies, damned lies, and then statistics".
Nevertheless .... I know this is gonna be a tough call for you ... but which of these two groups do you think you'd most likely see at a Church picnic ?
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There are many more "Crosses" in the 2nd photo ... but don't let that make this a trick question
Maybe the better question would be ... which of these two groups do you think are most likely to be driving up the murder statistics?
Strange, you sure were a big fan of statistics until they didn't work in your favor.
However, at the end of the day, I'm willing to bet that MS-13 members do believe in god, and aren't atheists.
As an aside, exactly how many MS-13 gangmembers are there in Sweden?
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Originally Posted by claudhopper
Crime rates? How about comparing acts of charity and good will. Let's say your unemployment ran out, and you were in dire need of a bag of groceries, or a ride to the doctor's office. Are you going to seek out the nearest haven of atheists? I find comfort in knowing that any Christian church would extend a hand of to those that ask. They provide shelter, meals, and untold services to their community. Atheists have no compulsion to be of use to anybody but themselves.
Christians are only compelled by making sure they don't burn in hell. Atheists are good because they actually believe in being good.
Trouble is you won't look at history without those blinders on.
Why can't you just type Christians? Quite calling names.
c is a name?
I won't call you the whole thing because hatred is not taught by your god thing.
Blinders?
Where did I provide erroneous information?
No where, I believe.
I don't have to buy into your delusions, nor do I have to respect it.
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This was centuries ago. What about all the good that the Church does?
A small example; a church that my close friends attend is helping out a young man who was recently released from jail on a sex offense. They've given him counseling to help him adjust to life outside of jail and support in finding a job. Some friends and members of the church invited him to stay with them while he can earn enough money to get his own apartment. The church started a collection to help him purchase a cheap car.
These sort of stories are common, but nearly always overlooked. Beyond that example, the church operates most of the charities in my city. If you despise religion, it's easy to discard the incredible amount of good the church does and focus on what you hate about it.
I posted one; then there's institutional hatred; what are c's doing in Africa? Hatred from the pulpit, gotta love it.
Numerous examples of current day hypocrisy were also presented.
Don't turn a blind eye to them.
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Have you ever heard the old saying ... Figures Lie, and Liars Figure? Or ... "there are lies, damned lies, and then statistics".
Nevertheless .... I know this is gonna be a tough call for you ... but which of these two groups do you think you'd most likely see at a Church picnic ?
or
There are many more "Crosses" in the 2nd photo ... but don't let that make this a trick question
Maybe the better question would be ... which of these two groups do you think are most likely to be driving up the murder statistics?
These guys are Mormon Na2is in Arizona
After what happened in Norway I have to wonder which group now?
Hey, you're the one that actually knows what Hitler believed better than he did himself. That's pretty impressive .. I don't stand a chance against that.
Oh, I couldn't beat you on that aspect. My knowledge isn't based on a personal interaction with Hitler, just on the premise that he hated socialism/Marxist, and Jews were those damn liberals/communists that deserved to be sent to concentration camps with the rest of them...
I take it then, that you firmly believe, a push for a national religion, "Germans can do no wrong", anti-immigration, "the threat of Marxists" (and consequently Jews... as Hitler duly noted in Mein Kempf that Karl Marx was a Jew)... are all left wing ideologies. And just when I thought I could change the slogan to... "Slow? Keep Right", I just might have to reconsider that.
I got one better for you .... the Italian Mafia .... to them, they could murder a dozen people in a week ... and on Sunday, go to the Catholic Church for confession ... say a few Hail Mary's, and be absolved of their "sins" ... with the obligatory "donation" to the collection plate, of course!
But did they represent the mainstream middle class conservative Christians who believe and practice those very basic principles of Christianity like "Thou Shall Not Kill .... Thou Shall Not Steal" ? Ummm ... Not really.
I think the same could apply to Mexican Gangs, regardless if they incorporate the Christian cross in their standard bling-bling. My guess would be that they were dozing off in Sunday School when those "thou shalt not kill" discussions were taking place, no doubt due to those late Saturday night drug deals, murders, and cocaine parties.
But I'm sure, to the anti-Christian crowd, any evidence that bolsters their case will be seized upon, no matter the effort required in ignoring common sense.
They cherry pick religion doctrine just like every other religious person. The same that cite Leviticus for not letting gays get married, but ignore the part about not eating shellfish or wearing mixed fabrics. You may think 'thou shalt not kill', but would you hesitate to kill someone who was trying to rape your wife? They think they're doing a service to their family by making money selling drugs and killing off rival gang members. It may not be 'right' morally, but that's how they justify it.
It's the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. You can't pick and choose who you use to represent your religion based on the actions you think they're doing right or wrong. Bummer.
Mainstream, middle class Christians can be some of the meanest, vile people out there, but as long as they sugarcoat their meanness with 'god bless' and 'bless his heart' and a big ole saccarine smile, it's all okay. Trust me, my Great Grandmother is a very sweet Christian women who was married to a Pastor for 47 years...but jeez does she have a mouth on her when it comes to hating certain groups of people. But hey, that's okay, she's Christian right?
I'm not anti-christian, I'm pro-keepingreligiontoyourself.
Ya right...if a Christian commits crimes he's not really a Christian???
OH YES HE IS! Can't worm and crawl your way out of THAT one!
A rise in christianphobia???
Maybe because they kill lots of Norwegians...especially kids!
They're consistent in that regard... another application happens to be in the form of "RINO" (see, Bush wasn't really a liberal). "Denounce immediately" is key.
Ya right...if a Christian commits crimes he's not really a Christian???
OH YES HE IS! Can't worm and crawl your way out of THAT one!
A rise in christianphobia???
Maybe because they kill lots of Norwegians...especially kids!
Any bets on whether Fox News will call for a non-Christian buffer zone around the site so as to not upset the people that suffered at the hands of a Christian terrorist?
I am guessing that I will drive a Kia to the moon first.
How did you find out they were Mormons? Where does it say that?
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Ya right...if a Christian commits crimes he's not really a Christian???
