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Old 07-24-2011, 10:03 AM
 
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Almost all criminal laws are based on enforcing some set of moral beliefs. Wake up.
Better set your alarm sleepy head.
TSA, EPA, FDA, USDA, etc.
well you get the point...maybe.
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Old 07-24-2011, 11:14 AM
 
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I have written my MCs about this and will again.
These guys are so busy creating more laws that they don't even have a clue about the minefield full of IEDs they have created, or if they do they don't care.
Prosecutors in our nation have gone insane with their unregulated power. Very very rarely are they called to account, as in the transparent case of Mike Nifong.
Johnny Sutton enjoyed sending law enforcement to prison for the smallest misstep.
If prosecutors were sent to prison for the same minor missteps they prosecute innocent, no-criminal-intent citizens, most of them would not be around any more.

Getting the feds to pay attention to this is very difficult. IMO ALL criminal penalties should be removed from the fed books with the exception of the original ones. But as they pick off individual innocents, the great mass doesn't notice that the herd is being culled.

Innocence doesn't matter. Criminal intent doesn't matter. The power to punish matters. Well on our way to a Soviet Union.
This is a good post.

Laws which are passed with good intentions are often very badly drafted so that their original intent can be ignored and are then misused by prosecutors to the detriment of the average person.
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Old 07-24-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: NW MT
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Scary article. Folks being thrown into prison or forced to launch costly defenses to stay out of prison simply because they violated obscure federal laws they knew nothing about.

Federal Offenses: As U.S. Federal Criminal Laws Proliferate, More Are Ensnared - WSJ.com
The US prison system is BIG.... I say again BIG business for the gov and nothing more. The average citizen has no clue of its size and who all has their fingers in this pie. Joe Blow sees it as so and so did somethign wrong..... little does Joe Blow know that HE is just as guilty when it comes to breaking federal laws, on almost a daily basis, as anyone convicted in the prison system today..... and could easily be in the same position should his number come up on the radar screen.

Now don't get me wrong.... violent crimes is a whole different story. But this paper and white collar criminal BS is all about MONEY and nothing more!
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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America, being the last great bastion of religious insanity in the developed world is obsessed

with sin vs redemption, which disguises as good vs evil, this translates into LAWS,LAWS and more LAWS !

And, people just love it, even with the above information you will hear people, particularly conservatives, rant about "Tough on crime", etc.

Felony used to be a serious crime, treason,murder,armed robbery, now it can be almost anything, and the consequences are magnified 10 fold by a self-destructive criminal justice system financed by your tax dollars with no let up in sight. The only way this will stop is when they cannot afford to continue financially, which is very unfortunate.
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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Big government run amok. .......
And lawyers run amoke. If we closed every law school in the nation x 25 years there would still be a surplus of schysters writing our freedoms away.
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:24 PM
 
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And lawyers run amoke. If we closed every law school in the nation x 25 years there would still be a surplus of schysters writing our freedoms away.
It is all part of the "justice" industry.
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Big government run amok. Makes you want to bolt the doors, draw the curtains and roll up the carpets. Any wonder gun sales are up?
Mind boggling and the Federal prosecutors really are jerks. They can use some common sense.
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Old 07-24-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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It's not just the feds, our states and towns and counties have been busily straight-jacketing their citizens in an avalanche of small laws.

Behind every small law there is a dollop of rationalization, but after awhile there are just too many laws. I was at a library booksale yesterday, and it used to be a wonderful affair, with volunteers cooking hot dogs and hamburgers and people selling homemade cookies, all to raise money for their library, but they can't do that anymore. The state wants a permit for something, and the town wants a permit for something else, so there went the profit the library made on the bake sale.

There is something demeaning and almost un-American about the government, large and small, just determined to control every small aspect of our lives.
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Old 07-24-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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Scary article. Folks being thrown into prison or forced to launch costly defenses to stay out of prison simply because they violated obscure federal laws they knew nothing about.

Federal Offenses: As U.S. Federal Criminal Laws Proliferate, More Are Ensnared - WSJ.com
Two interesting books on the subject I purchased some time ago. Perhaps worth reading, if one is interested:


Go Directly to Jail: The Criminalization of Almost Everything by Gene Healy

Mugged by the State: Outrageous Government Assaults on Ordinary People and their Property by Randall Fitzgerald
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Old 07-24-2011, 01:11 PM
 
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It is all part of the "justice" industry.
It is no coincidence why it is called the "criminal justice" system. Criminals have kidnapped justice and prostitute her at all levels from municipal to SCOTUS.
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