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Old 07-26-2011, 12:46 PM
 
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here is my take on the US default nonsense....

Look this is not about the US going above its debt limit.

When Clinton was in power the republicans tried to impeach him, they tried to shutdown the goverment in the 1990s, the tried every dirty trick under the sun against the Clintons but could not get rid of him.

The Republicans don't give a damn about the debt, they don't even like big goverment, who knows they may be trying to destroy the goverment- Look at when George W Bush was in power all those republicans voted for huge tax breaks for the wealthy, they voted to go to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, hugely increasing the amount of debt of the US, they voted to give bailouts to the Banks - They are generally cosy and happy with Big Business and will bend over backwards to help them.

Happy to bail out banks, give tax cuts to millionaires, but fight to the death over free health insurance, or unemployment benefit.

They generally think they have right to rule - when any democrat gets into power they will do ANYTHING to get rid of them. And they are picking on the debt which they are mostly responsible for...


So Waken up - this is just the republicans up to their same old tricks - I guess they will cave in eventually, and come up with some kind of workable deal with the Democrats.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The Congress has no power in this charade. The debt ceiling WILL be raised, because "our Master" decrees it so.

If you want "hard facts" that will make you ill, go to the IMF site, and look up WHO the U.S. governor of the IMF is.
Go read Title 22 USC Sec. 286(a) about compensation for the U.S. governor.
Then read Executive Orders 6073, 6102, 6111, 6260, 6560, where the nation's gold is under the control of the Secretary of Treasury (aka today's "U.S. governor").
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References:
IMF Members' Quotas and Voting Power, and IMF Board of Governors
22 U.S.C. § 286a : US Code - Section 286A: Appointments
EXECUTIVE ORDER DEFINED: Under the Constitution, the president is vested with the executive power of the government (Article I
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Title 22 USC Sec. 286(a)(d) Compensation for services
(1) No person shall be entitled to receive any salary or other
compensation from the United States for services as a Governor,
executive director, councillor, alternate, or associate.

NOW YOU KNOW WHO DOES NOT PAY TIM GEITHNER, sec'y of treasury, U.S. governor of the IMF, etc.

This has been going on since 1933... when the U.S. government went bankrupt and was taken over by the Creditor.
[The rest of the story...]
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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here is my take on the US default nonsense....

Look this is not about the US going above its debt limit.

When Clinton was in power the republicans tried to impeach him, they tried to shutdown the goverment in the 1990s, the tried every dirty trick under the sun against the Clintons but could not get rid of him.

The Republicans don't give a damn about the debt, they don't even like big goverment, who knows they may be trying to destroy the goverment- Look at when George W Bush was in power all those republicans voted for huge tax breaks for the wealthy, they voted to go to wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, hugely increasing the amount of debt of the US, they voted to give bailouts to the Banks - They are generally cosy and happy with Big Business and will bend over backwards to help them.

Happy to bail out banks, give tax cuts to millionaires, but fight to the death over free health insurance, or unemployment benefit.

They generally think they have right to rule - when any democrat gets into power they will do ANYTHING to get rid of them. And they are picking on the debt which they are mostly responsible for...


So Waken up - this is just the republicans up to their same old tricks - I guess they will cave in eventually, and come up with some kind of workable deal with the Democrats.
The Dems did all that in 2009 and 2010 and there is no such thing as "free health insurance". Someone IS paying for it.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:53 PM
 
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Default Ron Paul on the debt ceiling farce

Free Market Economics: Ron Paul vs. the Statists: The Debt Ceiling Dog and Pony Show.
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:58 PM
 
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The Dems did all that in 2009 and 2010 and there is no such thing as "free health insurance". Someone IS paying for it.
I am talking about giving everyone health care that is affordable, yes paid out of your tax, rather than having to sell your house if you get sick!


Well the Bailouts, they had to because of the mess partly in the banking system, surely with republicans being a factor.


Here is another point . never understood the whole republicans and being christian thing - always though sharing, equality, and fairness were more in common with the democrats.

If Jesus were to come again - he would be a Democrat, or left of Center.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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I am talking about giving everyone health care that is affordable, yes paid out of your tax, rather than having to sell your house if you get sick!
There is no "right" to healthcare when the government criminalized the unlicensed trade in it. That's the source of the problem. Licensing did not improve care, nor guarantee competency. If that was true, why would there be malpractice suits? After licensing, the number of medical schools were reduced by 1/3, the number of graduating physicians shrank, and the resulting scarcity drove up fees - to the joy of the AMA.

I support universal health care - decriminalize the trade - open up education opportunities - end the AMA monopoly - and get government out of the health care system.

And let us not forget national socialism (FICA) - it's a killer. Socialism penalizes the productive and rewards the unproductive, resulting in our current dilemma.

The recipient class outvotes the donor class, so that it is political suicide for the legislature to correct the problems. Zero deficit, no tax increase and cut spending may be political suicide. But to do otherwise is national suicide.

To avoid the inevitable collapse, the Federal government will have to scale back about 93% - dumping the debt - socialism - foreign military misadventures - and restricting itself to basic duties. Of course, if it does nothing and collapses, it will have succeeded in scaling back 100%.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:22 PM
 
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The Dems did all that in 2009 and 2010 and there is no such thing as "free health insurance". Someone IS paying for it.
The one most important thing that has set this economy into tailspin that NOBODY seems to want to talk about is the healthcare bill. It has stopped hiring almost completely.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:23 PM
 
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Another day..another ignorant thread.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:34 PM
 
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If Jesus were to come again - he would be a Democrat, or left of Center.
No, he wouldn't. He never advocated stealing other people's money.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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The Dems did all that in 2009 and 2010 and there is no such thing as "free health insurance". Someone IS paying for it.
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Another day..another ignorant thread.

Ok - think your so smart eh?

What is your great in depth analysis then?
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