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Old 07-29-2011, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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But if Bush was implementing policies that could be classified as "Liberal", then why did Liberals not applaud? Not saying that they, or anybody, should have given him a free pass.
Such as...?
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:14 AM
 
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Such as...?
Already mentioned: Prescription Drug Bill for Seniors.

Pay attention Trust Fund Baby.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:11 AM
 
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Already mentioned: Prescription Drug Bill for Seniors.

Pay attention Trust Fund Baby.
And it was liberals proposing and supporting the idea.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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"Why do liberals hate Bush's policies, but not Obama's?"

We need more wars to get our American thrills.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:46 AM
 
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And it was liberals proposing and supporting the idea.
Wrong.

The bill was introduced and sponsored by Dennis Hasert (Republican- Illinois).

It was heavily supported by Tom Delay (Republican- Texas)

The Bill passed the House 216-215:

--207 Republicans voted Yes; 19 voted No.
--195 Democrats voted No; 9 voted Yes.
-- Bernie Sanders voted No and the rest did not vote or voted Present.

It was signed into law by then Republican President, George Bush.

Get your facts straight, Trust Fund Baby. Someone might think you are lying.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Wrong.

The bill was introduced and sponsored by Dennis Hasert (Republican- Illinois).

It was heavily supported by Tom Delay (Republican- Texas)

The Bill passed the House 216-215:

--207 Republicans voted Yes
--195 Democrats voted No

It was signed into law by then Republican President, George Bush.

Get your facts straight, Trust Fund Baby. Someone might think you are lying.
So let me get this straight...
The support for the bill was pretty much along party lines... republicans supporting it, democrats opposing it. And you think it was a liberal idea. Does that mean... republicans = liberals, and democrats = conservatives?
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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Bush campaigned as a "compassionate conservative" with moderate views, but governed as a complete corporate lapdog. In nearly all the choices he made, corporate power and pleasing the conservative base trumped governing for all Americans. He was extremely partisan, and unreflective. And he needed this slimeball strategist called Karl Rove around to make sure that every decision he made was more to gain pure political advantage rather than to serve all Americans.

Of course Iraq defined his Presidency. He lied repeatedly to get it going, deflected our attention from Afghanistan and Bin Laden, and cut taxes twice to ensure that the effort would bankrupt the country (I'm not saying he did this intentionally, but it is illustrative of his lack of forethought and general irresponsibility and incompetence). Leading our country into an unfunded war was both an egregious lie, and made our name dirt around the world.

Obama has done nothing like this. He is trying to serve America, not simply his base. And even the dreaded "ObamaCare" was an effort to serve the needs of Americans. There is simply no comparison. Obama may yet be brought down by a terrible economy and a shockingly nasty opposing party, but he already is ten times the President of W. His speeches will be in the history books.

W's presidency will be remembered by deceit, torture, and the images of him preening on an air craft carrier saying "Mission Accomplished."
Shades of Jonestown.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Bush had the greatest HINDSIGHT of any previous President, yet failed miserably. He was even given a surplus. His presidency is universally recognized as a failure. The party he represents is incompetent and supports bigotry and racial insensitivity. His party sought to protect the rich, while everyone else went to hell. Bush thought it was OK to attack sovereign nations unprovoked, engaging this country in two costly and failed ideological wars. He severely mismanaged these wars that he LIED in gaining congressional approval, then LIED again about their progress so he could get reelected. His domestic policy was an utter failure, across the board. Health care crisis he ignored. Street gang crisis out of control. Illegal immigration more common than the common cold. Bush allowed more holes in the border than stars in the sky. His policy of deregulation ultimately caused the worst oil spill in history. It also allowed banks to profit from predatory lending practices, creating a housing and mortgage crisis. Under his policies, while the executives and rich were enjoying record perks and skating through life fat, dumb, and happy, the rest of the country was neglected as unemployment rose and products were cheaper than foreign alternatives. Under his policies, american companies overwhelmingly favored cheaper foreign labor in displacing millions of qualified americans. Under Bush, it was fashionable to be a racist and a bigot, as deregulation allowed companies to discriminate unchecked. He was responsible for screwing up the Supreme Court, appointing right-wing imbeciles like Roberts who represent a severe regression in the Court's makeup. So on and so forth. It is also critical to realize that George Bush didn't have the MISFORTUNE of succeeding HIMSELF, strapped with the most pathetic version of the GOP in Congress in recent memory, and a record deficit going in. There was no Tea party during his reign. No GOP opposition to his excessive, wasteful spending. No GOP concern about the deficit he ran up. No one complaining about is skin color. Bush had it easy but was an utter failure.

President Obama did have the great misfortune of succeeding the worst man to reside in the oval office in the history of this nation, Dubya. He has tackled the monumental task of resuscitating this country from Bush/GOP disastrous, ineffective policies, and has had to work with the useless obstructionists that define the GOP in Congress. He has thrived in this role, stressing the fact that "ideological purity does not solve problems." He's far more versatile than any Republican, willing to reach across the table, willing to listen seriously to the other side. The problem is that the "other side" is useless. Worthless ideas, ineffective history, narrow-mindedness, and true rigidity. President Obama has done an incredible job with the mess he was given and continued GOP opposition. He is the most scrutinized President in history. He and his party do not represent bigots, racists, or the most racially-insensitive segment of the country. His cause is far superior to that of the GOP, because he sides with those who the GOP discards because they're not among the privileged. He was effective and intelligent enough to get bin Laden, something Bush couldn't do. Instead of sending a "shock and awe" display to Libya in a "go it alone" Texas showdown, he chose to support NATO efforts and not declare war. He has had the task of winding down those worthless Bush wars. His policies are far superior to anything Pubs have come up with, and he has to work with Pubs in Congress whose sole intent is to make him fail, not help the country heal from the Bush years. He is the first President in history that is criticized because of only his SKIN COLOR, signifying the level of pervasive ignorance that defines the GOP narrative. Subtract this meaningless GOP narrative from the evaluation of his performance, and his presidency is universally considered a RESOUNDING SUCCESS.

This is why the entire free world let out a collective sigh of relief when Bush left in '08. This is why we are fortunate that this great President Obama will be elected to a second term....and don't you forget it either.





He was even given a surplus.

Destroying the myth of the Clinton surpluses. | The Silent Majority




Bush thought it was OK to attack sovereign nations unprovoked

Lawmakers Sue President Obama Over "Illegal Libya War" - Political Punch

More U.S. troops die in Afghanistan under Obama than under Bush

The Iraq War: Concluding or Continuing? | Ron Paul 2012 | Sound Money, Peace and Liberty (http://www.dailypaul.com/152657/the-iraq-war-concluding-or-continuing - broken link)




He severely mismanaged these wars that he LIED in gaining congressional approval, then LIED again about their progress so he could get reelected.


Can you prove that, or is this just more opinion presented as fact?




Health care crisis he ignored.


What health care crisis?




His policy of deregulation ultimately caused the worst oil spill in history.


Big polluters freed from environmental oversight by stimulus | iWatch News

The decision by the department's Minerals Management Service (MMS) to give BP's lease at Deepwater Horizon a "categorical exclusion" from the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) on April 6, 2009 -- and BP's lobbying efforts just 11 days before the explosion to expand those exemptions -- show that neither federal regulators nor the company anticipated an accident of the scale of the one unfolding in the gulf.

U.S. exempted BP's Gulf of Mexico drilling from environmental impact study

Obama administration blocked efforts to stop BP oil drilling before explosion

Of course when it comes to BP, every Republican is still playing catch-up to President Obama, who is the largest recipient of BP PAC and individual money over the past 20 years," said Walsh. Obama netted $77,000 in BP-related contributions

BP Marks Gulf Oil Spill Anniversary With Campaign Contributions






President Obama has done an incredible job with the mess he was given and continued GOP opposition.


Really?

What would be an example of Obama doing "an incredible job".



While we're at it, name something Bush deregulated and provide proof.

Name something Obama has done differently than Bush which has had a positive effect.

You use a lot of generalities to blame Bush for our current problem, let's see some specifics.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:34 AM
 
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So let me get this straight...
The support for the bill was pretty much along party lines... republicans supporting it, democrats opposing it. And you think it was a liberal idea. Does that mean... republicans = liberals, and democrats = conservatives?
You yourself said it was a liberal idea. Right here:

"And it was liberals proposing and supporting the idea." (Post #33)

You cannot get it straight because, as always, you are going in circles, contradicting yourself, and doling out dishonesty. All in the name of covering your tail.

Happy Hour beckons TFB. Tell the yardboy to warm up the Beamer.
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Old 07-29-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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You yourself said it was a liberal idea. Right here:

"And it was liberals proposing and supporting the idea." (Post #33)

You cannot get it straight because, as always, you are going in circles, contradicting yourself, and doling out dishonesty. All in the name of covering your tail.

Happy Hour beckons TFB. Tell the yardboy to warm up the Beamer.
And I thought you were responding to my request to name liberal policies that came about under Bush... and you came up with Medicare Reform. And you think THAT is an example of liberal policy when it was right along party lines with republicans proposing and pushing it through?
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