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And then,..... if some catastrophe kills off all of their well made plans for retirement or disability and, they have not paid into S.S what will they do? Go on "Welfare"?
Just SUPPOSE they (whomever) should become drastically ill and burn through their 401k's and savings leaving them without any means of support. S.S. was designed as a "safety net" for those unable to support themselves. It's an insurance.
Most Americans are led to believe that they 'pay into' a trust fund, and that they are 'owed' entitlements.
Worse, they will fight to the death in opposition of any reduction in what they believe they are entitled to.
But that's based on a BIG LIE.
It has long been law that there is no legal right to Social Security. In two important cases, Helvering v. Davis and Flemming v. Nestor, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Social Security taxes are simply taxes and convey no property or contractual rights to Social Security benefits.
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Socialist InSecurity was and is nothing but a scam, a tontine, a means to raise taxes in the midst of the Depression, while creating a self interest bloc that will madly fight for their share of the treasury regardless of the consequences to the nation. In short, they're recipients of a bribe, paid by current taxpayers, dispensed by the jolly Congress - masters of bribery. It is abominable that parents are misled to enroll their infants into FICA before they even leave the hospital.
There is no way to reform SocSec. The only viable solution is to withdraw from it.
Of course, you do know that participation is 100% voluntary. If there was a law compelling participation, it would be involuntary servitude and unconstitutional in the United States of America.
Don't believe me - go read the law. Or write a polite questionnaire to your congressman:
1. What law compels all Americans in the USA to enroll in FICA?
2. What law punishes any American who does not participate in FICA?
3. What law punishes any American business that hires unnumbered Americans?
4. If participation is voluntary, what is the official procedure to withdraw from FICA?
Don't hold your breath waiting for an answer. Most folks only receive silence.
(Is that "Hotel California" playing in the background?)
Social security is supported by well over 70% of Americans, over 62% of TEA party members support it.
You'd get more folks to disagree on the color of the sky.
You may not like it, its constitutionality is questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that Americans want the program. Most folks want anyone who has worked until they are 70 to not have to work anymore, have a home and food on the table for them to retire.
Its time to learn reality. You may not like it, it may not be legal, but it isn't going away.
Social security is supported by well over 70% of Americans, over 62% of TEA party members support it.
You'd get more folks to disagree on the color of the sky.
You may not like it, its constitutionality is questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that Americans want the program. Most folks want anyone who has worked until they are 70 to not have to work anymore, have a home and food on the table for them to retire.
Its time to learn reality. You may not like it, it may not be legal, but it isn't going away.
It's constitutionality is NOT questionable -- at least according to the Supreme Court.
I agree SS law is right on its site to be read. Actaully even contratcs do not give defiinite rights as we see on many contracts that are broken. Bascially a contract is only a promise to do somnething ;no real guarantee. So what is Ops point.
Its constitutionality is always questionable. Courts have, and will again change their minds on various issues.
But the Supreme court says that it is constitutional. Unless you plan on attacking it legally, its silly to state that it is not constitutional.
I think we agree here.
The SCOTUS could rule that the Air Force is unconstitutional, as the constitution only specifically mentions the Army and Navy but it's not going to happen. It's as likely as future courts ruling against Social Security.
Social security is supported by well over 70% of Americans, over 62% of TEA party members support it.
You'd get more folks to disagree on the color of the sky.
You may not like it, its constitutionality is questionable, but that doesn't change the fact that Americans want the program. Most folks want anyone who has worked until they are 70 to not have to work anymore, have a home and food on the table for them to retire.
Its time to learn reality. You may not like it, it may not be legal, but it isn't going away.
And so long as people have paid into SS from their wages, if you try to take that away there may be armed revolt.
And so long as people have paid into SS from their wages, if you try to take that away there may be armed revolt.
The only way to phase out Social Security would be that people under, let's say, 14 years, will not be eligible to receive benefits and would not pay SS taxes as a result. That's the only way to phase the program out
The only way to phase out Social Security would be that people under, let's say, 14 years, will not be eligible to receive benefits and would not pay SS taxes as a result. That's the only way to phase the program out
But who would pay for the 15 year olds get their money from? Social security is based on the current working generation paying for the next. If people stop paying in at a certain age, then sooner or later the bill for retirement will grow larger and larger to 100% from tax payers without any contribution to those reciving their money.
The best thing to do is slowly increase the retirement age. I'm under 40, so I'll say that anyone under 40 shouldn't be able to retire until we are 70 years old.
[] Since 1933, no dollars have circulated. Pursuant to Title 12 USC sec. 411, "dollar bills" are IOUs, borrowed into existence, at usury. Any "trust fund" comprised of "dollar bills" has no par value.
The legal reason why worthless notes are "legal tender" is due to FICA. All "contributors" are equally liable and thus those worthless notes are "theirs". However, before 1935, Americans had the right to object to their tender.
"Federal reserve notes are legal tender in absence of objection thereto."
MacLeod v. Hoover (1925) 159 La 244, 105 So. 305
[] As the original post plainly stated, there is no CONTRACTED right to benefits. They may be called "entitlements", leading one to BELIEVE they are property rights (i.e., insurance), but the law says otherwise. Don't believe me - write directly to your Congressman and ask him.
[] Socialist InSecurity is the biggest scam ever perpetrated on a gullible people. It was a scam from day one. It created a self-interest bloc that will oppose ANY reform that will dilute their cut of the booty, regardless of the consequences to the nation.
[] The "voluntary" FICA tax system penalizes the productive and subsidizes the non-productive (including the hordes of bureaucrats and paper pushers required to run it). As long as the recipients can outvote the donors, the system will continue to destroy American enterprise. (That's how we have the best Congress bribery can buy!)
[] Though there is no law punishing American employers who hire unnumbered (and untaxed) Americans, most are misled to assume that they cannot hire the unnumbered. For the unnumbered Americans, it is a challenge to hire out for remuneration. Some set themselves up as a business, and bypass the employer - employee relationship.
[] The consequences of "voluntary" participation is a surrender of one's labor and property as collateral on the public debt.
" Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
There it is - all YOUR labor and goods "back" (underwrite) the Congress' bad IOUs. Via FICA.
Although private ownership of gold in the United States was legalized on August 15, 1974, the power to confiscate gold remains in the hands of the President. The President still retains the right, under the Emergency Banking Relief Act, to “investigate, regulate or prohibit… the importing, exporting, hoarding, melting or earmarking of gold” in times of a declared national emergency.
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There it is - due to the EMERGENCY declared in 1933, "free" Americans cannot possess constitutional gold coin (dollars) - if the "fearless leader" deems it so.
But wasn't there a pesky clause in the 5th amendment that says private property cannot be taken for public use without JUST COMPENSATION?
When FDR "liberated" the gold coin, he gave the former owners WORTHLESS NOTES in exchange. Is that what the federal government means by JUST COMPENSATION?
Senate Report 93-549
War and Emergency Powers Acts
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years (as of the report 1933-1973), freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency."
Oh, it's that EMERGENCY, first declared by FDR in 1933, that has bypassed the limitations of the USCON.
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