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Old 07-29-2011, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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When there is an emergency, or when something must be passed by x date, the government is too slow to move to respond and act due to the overwhelming impasses brought by the current Presidential/Senate/HoR structure.

Checks and balances are good, but the founding fathers failed to account for this. It has become increasingly more of a fault since the dawn of the Internet and Communications Era.
How can you say that all the problems are caused by the people being better informed about what is going on? I know that you think that the President being able to declare himself dictator for a while would be so much better but I just can't agree with that. Once he has done that how do we take him back down? I would really like to know how you would do that.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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This isn't sudden, by any means. Congress, as usual, waits until the last minute.
And then they draw up two pieces of chit in the head man's offices without the knowledge of the others, vote from being forced to do so, and then the get the two head men together to work out a "compromise" that we have to accept.

Boehner has joined the Dems in the Senate and wants to use his piece of give up in place of C, C, and B which should get him kicked out of his position.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Hillsboro, OR
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lol @ the reactionary right wingers who think I want to make Obama a dictator the likes of Stalin and Mao... never underestimate the power of them to take anything to the most ridiculous extreme possible.


The President should be ceremonial for the most part. We need a hybrid Westminster Parliamentary system that can react quickly to emergencies and effectively pass. The Senate needs to be reduced to checking the HoR only in non-budgetary matters, foreign treaties, approving Supreme Court Justices, etc. Checks need to be built in to the HoR through Opposition Days, Question Periods, Votes of Non-Confidence that result in new elections, etc.


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How can you say that all the problems are caused by the people being better informed about what is going on?
That is not at all what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the structure of our government was created when news and information moved quite slowly. Now information is nearly immediate in nature, and as a result, our society has become one that needs immediate solutions. Having a government that moves at a snail's pace in a society that is moving extremely fast and wants extremely quick solutions leads to breakdown in governmental structure.

We need a more efficient governmental structure that allows the public to have more of a voice.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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It's not like lightning stuck and all of a sudden we had a debt issue. We spent trillions and then we claim it's an emergency. Maybe if they lived within a budget we wouldn't have this issue - oops, there is no budget. I guess that wasn't an emergency. Washington just never counted on the people being sick of it and demanding some limits.
There is no budget and yet Dirty Harry said things were going very well without one several months ago. I guess the Dem leadership doesn't really think we need a budget.

The date of August 3 was nothing but an arbitrary one picked out and thrown at us by Tim Geithner so as to be used by the President in his threat to old people. When will the Congress understand just who is really to blame for all this? Them and the Executive branch have been the bad guys.

Remember when Obama sent them his proposed budget as is to be done? How much did he want to spend over what is going on now? Oh, yeah, he wanted to raise income taxes and without budgets that could have gone on forever until we ran out of money.

What was the vote in the Senate about Obama's proposal? Something like 97 nays and 0 ayes.
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:30 PM
 
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This isn't sudden, by any means. Congress, as usual, waits until the last minute.
Actually, that has only been the pattern since Harry Reid has been leading the Senate. These are Progressive tactics in action: don't pass up an opportunity to create a "crisis", be it real or perceived. This government is hoping the citizenry will perceive a crisis, panic, and they will be there like vultures to clean up the roadkill of wealth in their wake. They are scavenging for every last morsel of wealth/savings/investment the Americans hold in their own names. Only once the wealth and savings of the American middle class are destroyed can the way be paved for global government.

Do not submit!
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Actually, that has only been the pattern since Harry Reid has been leading the Senate. These are Progressive tactics in action: don't pass up an opportunity to create a "crisis", be it real or perceived. This government is hoping the citizenry will perceive a crisis, panic, and they will be there like vultures to clean up the roadkill of wealth in their wake. They are scavenging for every last morsel of wealth/savings/investment the Americans hold in their own names. Only once the wealth and savings of the American middle class are destroyed can the way be paved for global government.

Do not submit!
Exactly what I'm trying to say about this whole thing in the other Ron Paul post!
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Old 07-29-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Actually, that has only been the pattern since Harry Reid has been leading the Senate. These are Progressive tactics in action: don't pass up an opportunity to create a "crisis", be it real or perceived. This government is hoping the citizenry will perceive a crisis, panic, and they will be there like vultures to clean up the roadkill of wealth in their wake. They are scavenging for every last morsel of wealth/savings/investment the Americans hold in their own names. Only once the wealth and savings of the American middle class are destroyed can the way be paved for global government.

Do not submit!
Whoops, you just accused the progressives of being socialists and then asked what they would do for money once the middle class had spent all its savings to support the government they want to have. Connecting peoople lie Dirty Harry and Nasty Nancy to global government is not at all a nasty thing to do but most of those who are going along with the progs aren't able to see where they want to take us.

DO NOT SUBMIT. Very well said, but so many walls aren't listening.
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