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Old 07-30-2011, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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There's a right way and a wrong way to do it. There's a responsible and irresponsible way to do it. This is not a black and white, yes we balance or no we don't issue; this is a complex issue that has developed over decades of frankly impeachable neglect. Both parties are responsible to some degree, but there is no question in my mind that the Republicans are more to blame, as they are for the economic situation we're now in. That they not only show no willingness to change direction on the economy but also defy any constructive attempts to change the situation is unconscionable.

As the table below suggests, the facts show, the evidence shows, that Republican presidents are budget busters:

File:US Federal Debt as Percent of GDP by President.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, the debt was once higher after Presidents Roosevelt and Truman, but then again, there was this thing called WWII and the immediate post-war aftermath. Even with social security, if you look at the graph, the Carter presidency was fairly well balanced compared to now. It was Reagan, and a divided congress, who began the runaway budget deficits, which were then pared under Clinton, but then came back under GW Bush. The difference is that the rich no longer pay taxes the way they used to.

The rich can handle a tax hike. Taxes were raised in the 1990s and it actually turned out to be the longest economic growth period in the post WWII era. Liberalnomics may not be perfect, but their better than conservanomics. The evidence cannot be disputed.
Evidence means nothing to those on the right. That's why I call them a cult. Blinding themselves to any facts that disprove their preconcieved ideas. I listen to them in the media. They make a false statement as if it is a fact and then using this wrong fact make their conclusions based on a fallacy. It honestly makes me want to throw my shoe at the TV.

I'm happy that here in Canada they just can't do it. They would be forced to publicly retract false statements and if they persisted in misleading the public they would lose their licence to broadcast. That is the reason that Muddock has no media outlets in this country.
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: In this horrid OBOMINATION
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reid cannot even pass a bill this is sooooo funny
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:50 PM
 
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reid cannot even pass a bill this is sooooo funny
Funny? grow up...
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:54 PM
 
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Evidence means nothing to those on the right. That's why I call them a cult. Blinding themselves to any facts that disprove their preconcieved ideas. I listen to them in the media. They make a false statement as if it is a fact and then using this wrong fact make their conclusions based on a fallacy. It honestly makes me want to throw my shoe at the TV.

I'm happy that here in Canada they just can't do it. They would be forced to publicly retract false statements and if they persisted in misleading the public they would lose their licence to broadcast. That is the reason that Muddock has no media outlets in this country.
You're right that they have become a cult. It's true that the left has a political cult as well, but it's not nearly as powerful at the moment as the rightwing one. I didn't know that Canada insists on truth in broadcasting. I think that's a very good policy. It makes me wish we would adopt something similar here.
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Old 07-30-2011, 07:57 PM
 
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Funny? grow up...
Does it hit a nerve that when McConnell invited Reid to hold the vote on his bill last night that Reid had to fillibuster his own proposed legislation because it wouldn't pass by 60 votes?

Byt the way, have you seen the Senate pass a budget since Harry Reid has been leading it?

Here is one of those "nutty" Tea Party members on the Senate floor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_68Gj...layer_embedded
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:11 PM
 
Location: In this horrid OBOMINATION
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Funny? grow up...
Your party cannot do anything. they are worthless and I find it amusing.

Where is Obama's plan? Oh yeah, he doesn't have one.
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Old 07-30-2011, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I don't care if the Tea Party excommunicates me. They have strayed far from what Ron Paul has taught on social issues that I never did associate myself with them.
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Old 07-30-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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You are mistaken. Those who were elected in 2010 have not yet enacted a budget, and they had absolutely nothing to do with the fiasco last year when a Democrat controlled Congress failed to enact a budget for this fiscal year. Thus far 6 of the 12 appropriation bills have been passed by the House. The House has until September 30th to enact a budget for fiscal year 2012.

Source: Status of Appropriations Legislation for Fiscal Year 2012 - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

The debt ceiling should not be raised. Raising the debt ceiling is essentially telling the nation, and the world, that it is perfectly acceptable to spend well beyond our means like immature children unable to control our infantile urges.
That would be where big government democrats realized that to carry out their dreams, everything they are about, it requires bankrupting the nation and the only thing they have left is to shrink government.

They don't know what to do because it's the antithesis of their entire being.
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Old 07-30-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Your party cannot do anything. they are worthless and I find it amusing.

Where is Obama's plan? Oh yeah, he doesn't have one.
It's up to the congress not only to raise the limit but to create a budget also. Why should the president do their work for them? All he would get for it is a kick in the head and he might get that anyway when he unilateraly raises the limit after the country defaults

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Old 07-30-2011, 09:06 PM
 
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I don't care if the Tea Party excommunicates me. They have strayed far from what Ron Paul has taught on social issues that I never did associate myself with them.
Care to be specific or could it be that you confuse the real Tea Party from the johnny come latelys?
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