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Old 08-01-2011, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Gone
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Originally Posted by ian6479 View Post
Obama has been poor. He wanted so much more - $4tn in savings, closing corporate loopholes etc but he isn't strong enough to get this done.. and this was the very reason so many voted for him in the first place. He is too quick to compromise and pass weak bills (healthcare is another example) rather than standing strong and leading.

His weakness means that the debt ceiling will be raised (which would have happened anyway) but with a weak bill which doesn't address the main problems one bit.

The only way Obama will remain President in 2012 is if the republicans choose a candidate that is from the loony fringe. If somebody with centrist ideals actually ran they could steamroll him.
Which leaves out EVERY candidate except maybe Paul, wo will not ge he GOP nomination. And that is that.
Casper
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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I happily admit I was wrong. The President DID grow a pair and forced the GOP to cave.

He just announced a deal which will raise the debt ceiling, while punting the other things the GOP wanted down the road to a bi-partisan commission.

And, he made the announcment without John Boehner or Mitch McConnell standing by his side! It is HIS victory!

Better yet, it apparently will take Nancy Pelosi to deliver enough Democratic votes in the House to off-set the Tea Partiers who Boehner cannot control.

This is as total a defeat for the GOP as last years election was for the Democrats!
If 0bama was any kind of a leader, he would have demanded, and received, a budget from the democrat controlled congress and senate.... LAST YEAR!!

As soon as this congress started work in Jan 2011 they had a crisis, the federal budget was running out of money!! The reason for this was because the inept democrats did not pass a budget in 2010, when they controlled EVERYTHING.

The president - inept
The democratic party controlled congress - inept
The democratic party controlled senate - inept


So here we are, in a crisis created by democrats, because democrats did not budget enough money to run the country for 2011 - and this to you is a clear sign of leadership? Bah, its a sign of either democrat partisan politics at its very worst, or their total ineptness, you pick one.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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Were you even paying attention when Nancy (jump, dive, swim, crawl, parachute to pass health care so that people can find out what's in the bill) Pelosi was in power?

You've got to be completely delusional to think Reid and Pelosi are open to compromise.
They DID compromise so your statement is a falsehood, NEXT!
Casper
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:28 AM
 
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If 0bama was any kind of a leader, he would have demanded, and received, a budget from the democrat controlled congress and senate.... LAST YEAR!!

As soon as this congress started work in Jan 2011 they had a crisis, the federal budget was running out of money!! The reason for this was because the inept democrats did not pass a budget in 2010, when they controlled EVERYTHING.

The president - inept
The democratic party controlled congress - inept
The democratic party controlled senate - inept

So here we are, in a crisis created by democrats, because democrats did not budget enough money to run the country for 2011 - and this to you is a clear sign of leadership? Bah, its a sign of either democrat partisan politics at its very worst, or their total ineptness, you pick one.
They got your boys to cave so if they are so inept what does that make your boys, hmmmmmm, what is less than inept
Casper
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: it depends
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Congrats to President Obama and VP Biden for being the adults in the room while the "children" squabled.
And in the process, he actually had ONE press conference in a row where he did not talk about "owners of corporate jets" or "the rich" as if they were the cause of our troubles. The string ended Sunday evening, however, when he stated his intention to pursue his counterproductive, ineffective campaign for high marginal tax rates.

It is too bad that the the broad-based, bipartisan, centrist approaches embodied in the Simpson Bowles Commission and the Gang of Six outline were never seriously pursued and in fact have been rejected by Obama going forward. Both proposals called for taking the garbage out of the tax code, lowering rates, and collecting more revenues: true pro-growth tax reform. This is the only way to increase revenues on a sustainable basis, and reasonable people on both sides have agreed on that.

Barack Obama, Class Warrior! It really is too bad he is an ideologue, not a pragmatist.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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They DID compromise so your statement is a falsehood, NEXT!
Casper
They didn't have to.

The socialist caucus forced them to "compromise".

Next!
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Which leaves out EVERY candidate except maybe Paul, wo will not ge he GOP nomination. And that is that.
Casper
Yep, I am pulling for Paul and hoping people will come to their senses and make sure he gets the nod.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Victory?! Are you kidding me! This will destroy the economy if this bill passes! 900billion worth of cuts over a DECADE is going to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when we are spending more than 1.5T in a year!
No kidding, $900 billion over ten years, what a joke!! Give 0bama until April of 2012 and he will have spent $900 billion in deficit already, then the next nine and a half years will be all new debt. We need $10 trillion in ten years, and even then we will have $5 trillion more in debt, at 0bama's spending rate.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Obama shows a lot of patience. He called for a bipartisan Senate Committee with teeth in Jan 2010, to move ideas on how to deal with the long term Debt. With this deal, he has it and has added penalties, if Congress, both left and right, still refuses to do their job.
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Old 08-01-2011, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Here is the list of the reps who killed the best plan out there, the deficit panel plan to cut $4T in spending and reduce taxes. Shame on them.

Reps. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.),
Jeb Hensarling (R-Texas),
David Camp (R-Mich.),
Xavier Becerra (D-Calif.)
Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.)
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