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Old 08-02-2011, 03:41 PM
 
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If you want to start a thread about why you think Socialism will never work, go right ahead, but not here.

This thread has a simple purpose, and that is to simply explain what Socialism is.
And I am asking you to explain some of the details. How do you govern common ownership?

How do you operate without buying and selling? How do you motivate people to do the work of producing goods when they do not directly benefit? Will people that choose not to work still have free access to the produce? Or will they be forced to work?

I guess I am wondering how this works knowing that human nature basically looks out for self first.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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And I am asking you to explain some of the details. How do you govern common ownership?

How do you operate without buying and selling? How do you motivate people to do the work of producing goods when they do not directly benefit? Will people that choose not to work still have free access to the produce? Or will they be forced to work?

I guess I am wondering how this works knowing that human nature basically looks out for self first.
Make another thread. This one is solely for what and not how.
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Old 08-02-2011, 03:51 PM
 
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The principles of Socialism.
The main principal of socialism is called "Stealing from Peter to pay Paul". Pretty immoral if you ask me.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:02 PM
 
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The main principle I get from the article is that somehow people will be transformed to work and produce and not get paid for their work - while at the same time having free access to everything - and everyone will also own everything - and all of this on a worldwide basis.

Totally idealistic and unrealistic.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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Socialism--getting paid $65k - $70k to bake bread. Doesn't sound that bad after all.
Alvarado Street Bakery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:05 PM
 
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The main principle I get from the article is that somehow people will be transformed to work and produce and not get paid for their work - while at the same time having free access to everything - and everyone will also own everything - and all of this on a worldwide basis.

Totally idealistic and unrealistic.
And again that is a description of pure communism. Even Karl Marx couldn't explain how to achieve it.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:07 PM
 
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And I am asking you to explain some of the details. How do you govern common ownership?

How do you operate without buying and selling? How do you motivate people to do the work of producing goods when they do not directly benefit? Will people that choose not to work still have free access to the produce? Or will they be forced to work?
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It depends on which version of socialism you use.

Under one definition of socialism the workers in a company would be the owners. Kind of loosely how a co-op works. There is no one "owner" per se, and the workers share in the decision making as well as the profits (and maybe the goods, depending on what is being produced). This is the version that is closer to Marxism. Under Marxism, Socialism is the step between Capitalism and Communism.

The government would own things deemed for the collective good (like maybe hospitals, farms, etc) and those things would be administrated by the government for the good of all - i.e. food grown would be distributed equitably, in theory. It is worth noting that under this system, the government is democratically controlled by the people somehow. This is one of the reasons why people say socialism has never really been tried... because most of the nations who have tried anything close were communist and those have not typically been truly democratic as practiced.

As has been said before, true Socialism has never been tried, so no one knows if it works.

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Old 08-02-2011, 04:09 PM
 
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Socialism--getting paid $65k - $70k to bake bread. Doesn't sound that bad after all.
Alvarado Street Bakery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
That has nothing to do with socialism. Those people work to earn their money. They don't steal of force anyone to buy their goods.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:13 PM
 
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That has nothing to do with socialism. Those people work to earn their money. They don't steal of force anyone to buy their goods.
It has everything to do with socialism. Unfortunately, many do not even have a sophomoric understanding of what socialism is. Socialism is a system where the means of productions are commonly owned and decision making tends to be democratic with relatively equal power relations among members.

However, from your previous replies I can see that you do not have a proper understanding of socialism. You think socialism is a tax and distribution economic system. It is not.
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Old 08-02-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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It has everything to do with socialism. Unfortunately, many do not even have a sophomoric understanding of what socialism is. Socialism is a system where the means of productions are commonly owned and decision making tends to be democratic with relatively equal power relations among members.

However, from your previous replies I can see that you do not have a proper understanding of socialism. You think socialism is a tax and distribution economic system. It is not.


What you've described is called cooperative and it's still capitalism since it doesn't include any form of social justice, a.k.a. "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
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