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Old 08-03-2011, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Despicable and shocking...

Sacked MBTA punks back on the job - BostonHerald.com

"The MBTA has been forced to rehire seven drivers and other key employees after they were fired for offenses ranging from dozing at the wheel due to drug use, child rape, and assaulting and making bizarre threats of violence against co-workers — after bureaucratic arbitrators overturned their dismissals on technicalities, a Herald review has found."

"Of 22 workers whose union fought for their jobs in arbitration since 2009, seven were ordered rehired, some with back pay."

Yes, let's endanger the public by rehiring these criminals and let's give them back pay to boot! Bad enough that there have been multiple incidents on the system-including at least one fatality and countless injuries-due to operator negligence. Meanwhile, there are hundreds of honest, hardworking people with zero criminal record clamoring for a job
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:19 PM
 
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...and this surprises you how?...it's massachusetts, isn't it...
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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This is public employee union shenanigans for you.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:42 PM
 
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Ah... the union did force anything. Arbitration by definition is a non-judicial process whereby both parties in effect hire a impartial adjudicator who hears the evidence presented by both the union's representative and those representing the employer and arrives at a decision based solely upon the evidence presented.
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Old 08-03-2011, 04:55 PM
 
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If these were non-union employees who were fired from their jobs for

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dozing at the wheel due to drug use, child rape, and assaulting and making bizarre threats of violence against co-workers
they would probably not have been rehired.
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Old 08-03-2011, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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A lot more detail if you read btw. Some folks were falsely accused and later found to be innocent. Others were fired for things the company knew about when they hired them.

I mean come on. I know it isn't all great, but trying to demonize all unions by pointing out what, three really bad examples isn't being exactly honest.

I would like my employer to keep me on if I was falsely accused of something.
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Old 08-03-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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I agree that the operator who struck his g-friend in a domestic fight was improperly fired. Also the operator who was fired for a child rape conviction that was known about at the time he was hired.

But these.......not so much.

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Among those cases was a Green Line trolley operator who tested positive for cocaine and admitted to an addiction after being caught dozing behind the controls — less than a month after the fatal trolley crash in Newton. She was awarded her job by an arbitrator who felt the T violated her right to privacy by ordering the drug test, the review found.
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The arbitration records, from which the T redacted employee names, include a bus driver arrested for attacking a co-worker at a Chelsea gas station — despite being warned to stay away from her colleague. She won her job back when an arbitrator ruled the T failed to terminate her “within the contractual time limits,” by waiting until after she admitted her guilt in court.
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Another driver who was canned after missing seven months of work for injuries she said she suffered when teens threw eggs at her was also rehired.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Kalamalka Lake, B.C.
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Default Not only that, but MANAGEMENT has to present it's case

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A lot more detail if you read btw. Some folks were falsely accused and later found to be innocent. Others were fired for things the company knew about when they hired them.

I mean come on. I know it isn't all great, but trying to demonize all unions by pointing out what, three really bad examples isn't being exactly honest.

I would like my employer to keep me on if I was falsely accused of something.
I've been on a Union Executive voting for Arbitrations for employees who we pretty much knew they were stealing, but couldn't prove it. But it's up to MANAGEMENT to present a clean, fair, thorough case. In a large number of cases, incompetent poorly trained management were presenting an incomplete case, and the "Union" won by default.

Believe me, I wish we had lost a few of these cases. BUT the reason you take these cases on is to protect the Rights of most employees from the wannabe bullies and idiots and relatives in management that would love to have cart blanche to get rid of people and hire all their drunk and druggie friends.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:46 AM
 
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Labor agreements have consequences. It takes two to tango.
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