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People with morals "give a rip." Low-life pieces of trash do not. (Although they are the first to whine when it happens to them or their country.)
it was a different time then. dont forget the japanese attacked our navy at pearl harbor, and our army in the phillipines, at wake island, etc. we can not look back at history with todays morality(which is suspect to begin with). we have to see the war as it was in that time and place.
understand that at the time the japanese people were fully ready to die as a race if need be to try and defeat the US. to that end EVERY japanese citizen worked in the war making industry for japan. until the second bomb was dropped, the emperor was NOT going to surrender despite any so called suggestions to a peace initiative. hirohito and hitler both were willing to destroy their own countries to win, and that was the way we had to prosecute the war. the two nuclear weapons we used saved tens of millions of lives in the end.
it was a different time then. dont forget the japanese attacked our navy at pearl harbor, and our army in the phillipines, at wake island, etc. we can not look back at history with todays morality(which is suspect to begin with). we have to see the war as it was in that time and place.
understand that at the time the japanese people were fully ready to die as a race if need be to try and defeat the US. to that end EVERY japanese citizen worked in the war making industry for japan. until the second bomb was dropped, the emperor was NOT going to surrender despite any so called suggestions to a peace initiative. hirohito and hitler both were willing to destroy their own countries to win, and that was the way we had to prosecute the war. the two nuclear weapons we used saved tens of millions of lives in the end.
Good post. That underlying factor is ignored so often in looking at history. We can't apply the standards of fifty years past to a time, let along looking much further back. Look at source material OF the time. Read what people were saying. How they lived. Get a vision of a time before you can interpret the history. For instance, given the chances of survival in anarchy, the first to settle and bond to the land as serfs in the medieval period probably thought of themselves as lucky. When the barbarians came they had walls to hide in. Maybe not a good deal to us, but it was to them.
Similarly, look at the cultural realities of Germany and Japan. The intense control of the populace wasn't obvious at first. And while in Germany, the Hitler Jugen were the snipers of last resort as the citizens of German just tried to survive, but most were glad it be over.
Japan responsed with an army of citizens trained in ways to kill and who would have fought to the death in their zeal. You don't find Germans coming out of hiding 20 years later, but there were Japanese who could not find it in their honor to surrender and hid.
Different cultures respond differently. If Hitler had not survived the attmepts to kill him by his generals, Germany would have given up before it did. Japan was going to be taken one street at a time with every citizen fighiting back.
Let me just say, I know most people seem to be under the impression that it was OK to nuke Japan because it "saved lives". This view is just false.
For one, America did not need to invade Japan to end the war in the Pacific. America had blockaded Japan and destroyed its Navy. The Japanese had just been routed in Manchuria by Russian troops. Japan was defeated, and had already started the process to end the war long before the nukes hit.
On top of this, we had been carpet-bombing Japanese cities with conventional bombs for quite some time. Nuking them was simply unnecessary. And anyone who talks about nukes saving lives, is just trying to make up an excuse so we don't look so badly.
Let me just say, I know most people seem to be under the impression that it was OK to nuke Japan because it "saved lives". This view is just false.
For one, America did not need to invade Japan to end the war in the Pacific. America had blockaded Japan and destroyed its Navy. The Japanese had just been routed in Manchuria by Russian troops. Japan was defeated, and had already started the process to end the war long before the nukes hit.
On top of this, we had been carpet-bombing Japanese cities with conventional bombs for quite some time. Nuking them was simply unnecessary. And anyone who talks about nukes saving lives, is just trying to make up an excuse so we don't look so badly.
How very humane of you.
So instead of dropping two atomic bombs that killed about 200,000 people, the US should have continued to carpet bomb Japanese cities (which killed more people than the atomic bombs) and blockade the country causing a famine.
The Japanese were killing about 150,000 Chinese, Fillipinos etc. per MONTH around that time.
Nukes brought the war to a close much sooner than it would have otherwise.
I'm not sure why you value Japanese civilians over those of other Asian countries. They only killed about 10million Chinese.
Someone doesn't know thier history very well.
He does know his history very well.
He cheers for violent losers. Try finding a single defeated tyrant that he hasn't expressed sympathy for. I have never once seen him talk about the Jews of the Holocaust (other than expressing that the Israelis will suffer a similar fate) or the Armenians of Turkey. No. It's all tears for Imperial Japanese, Nazis, Palestinians, various defunct terrorist groups, and so on.
Let me just say, I know most people seem to be under the impression that it was OK to nuke Japan because it "saved lives". This view is just false.
For one, America did not need to invade Japan to end the war in the Pacific. America had blockaded Japan and destroyed its Navy. The Japanese had just been routed in Manchuria by Russian troops. Japan was defeated, and had already started the process to end the war long before the nukes hit.
On top of this, we had been carpet-bombing Japanese cities with conventional bombs for quite some time. Nuking them was simply unnecessary. And anyone who talks about nukes saving lives, is just trying to make up an excuse so we don't look so badly.
actually it is quite true that nuking two japanese cities saved lives. you just dont understand the times and the people of japan. if we continued to fire bomb japanese cities, all the would have happened is the people of japan would have gone back to an agrarian society like they were for thousands of years before. they may not have had a navy, or much of an industry, but they would still have fought an allied invasion of their country to virtually the last person.
the government was not going to surrender anytime soon, and the people would have followed their emperor blindly. in fact even after the bombs were dropped and the emperor had decided to surrender unconditionally, there were those in the military that refused to surrender, and to that end they staged a short lived coup. it was defeated fortunately and peace was the result.
and i am willing to bet that you think that germany just decided to stop all hostilities after VE day, right? the reality there was that many nazis continued fighting through terrorist actions until the early 60s. and they attacked both sides of the cold war, where as in japan when the emperor said enough the citizenry quit fighting and go ton with rebuilding the country.
actually it is quite true that nuking two japanese cities saved lives. you just dont understand the times and the people of japan. if we continued to fire bomb japanese cities, all the would have happened is the people of japan would have gone back to an agrarian society like they were for thousands of years before. they may not have had a navy, or much of an industry, but they would still have fought an allied invasion of their country to virtually the last person.
the government was not going to surrender anytime soon, and the people would have followed their emperor blindly. in fact even after the bombs were dropped and the emperor had decided to surrender unconditionally, there were those in the military that refused to surrender, and to that end they staged a short lived coup. it was defeated fortunately and peace was the result.
and i am willing to bet that you think that germany just decided to stop all hostilities after VE day, right? the reality there was that many nazis continued fighting through terrorist actions until the early 60s. and they attacked both sides of the cold war, where as in japan when the emperor said enough the citizenry quit fighting and go ton with rebuilding the country.
The Japanese destroyed America with their high quality cars.
It's not over till it's over.
Course, we DID HAARP-POOON them with a third nuclear attack at Fukishima.
When Truman lied to America that Hiroshima was a military base rather than a city full of civilians, people no doubt wanted to believe him. Who would want the shame of belonging to the nation that commits a whole new kind of atrocity.
How many innocent men, women and children died at the behest of Truman?
You forgot that he was bribed by the Rothschild Family to help in the formation of the state of Israel... murdering innocent Jordanian and Palestinian families to make room...
1948: In the Spring of this year, the Rothschilds bribe President Harry S. Truman (33rd President of the United States 1945 – 1953) to recognise Israel (Rothschild owned Zionist not Jewish territory) as a sovereign state with $2,000,000 which they give to him on his campaign train.
They then declare Israel to be a sovereign Jewish state in Palestine and within half an hour President Truman declared the United States to be the first foreign nation to recognise it.
The Flag of Israel is unveiled. Despite tremendous opposition the emblem on the flag is a blue coloured version of the Rothschild, "Red Hexagram or Sign."
This angers many Jews who realise this Hexagram was used in the ancient mystery religions as the symbol of, "Moloch,"
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