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Old 08-08-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Near the water
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Americans are getting what they elected in 2008.

To blame it solely on this administration is silly at best.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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NOw it's down by 636 points...
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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I listened to the speech (I wasn't home and therefore couldn't shut off the flow of idiocy), and of course nearly threw up. True to form, the Spendthrift-in-Chief thinks there nothing left to cut in the massive government budget, and of course "the rich" (meaning you and me, the working class) will just have to buckle down and pay their "fair share" of the infinite spending of politicians who never worked a day in their lives. Considering how much my spouse and I send to Washington already in federal income taxes plus Social Security and Medicare taxes, I can tell you there's nothing else for them to confiscate. We already lose 100% of our incomes to a cost of living that includes zero luxuries.

We aren't the only ones planning to "Go Galt," and soon. A tax increase of any amount will mean we quit our jobs and they can slaughter some other cash cow. We live like paupers now; we can only be better off if we don't lose 80 hours a week to hellish and miserably stressful jobs.

Consider that Social Security and Medicare are taxed separately from the rest of the federal government's infinite spending programs, at 15.3% of every working person's income--no matter how poor you are. Let's set that aside from the discussion of our upcoming national bankruptcy, since I don't think the Baby Boom should be robbed of the small promise of a tiny income in late retirement, after losing 15.3% of every dollar they ever made. The scum who spent that money and replaced it with worthless IOUs (known as "special" non-marketable securities to fool the gullible) should be sued and their entire estates confiscated to pay back the stolen $2.5 trillion.

Federal income taxes (which half the people don't pay at all, so the professional working class gets financially slaughtered with) pay for EVERYTHING else that Washington spends, aside from Social Security and Medicare. The biggest part of this is "Defense"--which is a misnomer for keeping the world at constant war to feed the sick Military Industrial Complex.

Terrorism rose because poor people in violent areas around the world got sick of America's paternalistic strong-arm tactics and arrogant war-mongering, and decided to take advantage of the fact that the U.S. (as the world's largest arms exporter) floods poor nations with arms and weaponry. It would fade away if we stopped PROVING THEIR POINT and keeping them so angry. We armed them, and now they use our arms against us. Doesn't anybody notice that places so poor they can't feed their populations, can afford high-tech weaponry that allows them to hold off the might of the invading U.S. military? They can't afford it. The American worker is enslaved to pay for it all.

Halliburton and other War Profiteers drown in riches. The American taxpayer drowns in bankruptcy and government debt.

Take note that we specifically armed Afghanistan in the hopes that Russia would go broke fighting there--and it did. But our politicians are so incredibly stupid that they decided that Afghanistan would be another great place for yet another endless and unwinnable war--10 years now and over a trillion taxpayer dollars totally wasted. And today, another 30 American servicemen die in a single day, including many Seals (which cost millions of dollars to train). It is so far beyond insane, I can't understand how a single American would fall for the propaganda that we're "protecting the world," nor can I understand anyone who thinks we can continue to finance keeping the world at constant war. Or why we'd allow it, let alone support it.

Think about it: we could abolish the entire Federal Government today, and not a single American worker (who isn't in the business of war profiteering or sucking off taxpayer money, that is) would even notice. Social Security and Medicare with their own taxes, could be preserved intact.

Yes, it would be such a shame to have the world at peace, permanently. Such a shame not to have the traitors in Washington stealing huge amounts of money from the American worker, and bankrupting the nation because NO amount of taxes is enough for their infinite urges to spend OPM.

Of course I'm being sarcastic. A shame? It would be the paradise that our Founding Fathers tried to establish and protect for us. It would be America as she used to be: prosperous and free.

Yeah and half those people that don't pay their fare share are the poor and the filthy rich. It's not the millionaires we need to tax the hell out of. It's the ULTRA RICH aka the people you never hear about that have net worths into the billions. Also many corporations skirt their tax lability causing the American middle class aka the debt slaves to pick up the slack. The poor are poor. They are just a manipulated voting block. So yes we do need to tax the rich. But it's not the small business owners and doctors and other "Rich" that need to be taxed. It's the SUPER rich that have more wealth and more assets than 90% of the population. I say divvy up their businesses, their land, most of their assets to other Americans. The problem is the rich are sitting on their money. They don't produce anything, don't invest in jobs, don't invest in this country. They keep squeezing money like a sponge trying to make money. Only its not their money they squeeze, its the tax payer's. The bankers are the problem. You tax them into destruction. Problem solved!
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Most Americans(and especially those under 25) can't name the three branches of the US govt.

But they know all about Harry Potter.

You expect them to understand basic economics?
Not 1 in 100,000 Americans know about nor can cogently define the "republican form of government" promised in Art. 4, Sec. 4, USCON.

But we're all victims of the world's greatest propaganda ministry.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:06 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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To blame it solely on this administration is silly at best.
Well....this admin has increased the debt by how many trillions?
And cannot seem to cut anything?

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Old 08-08-2011, 02:07 PM
 
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To blame it solely on this administration is silly at best.

But that is why America is in this mess. Most voting idiots are shortsighted. They are like kids who want their candy and if they don't get it they'll go throw a temper tantrum....forgetting yesterday and last week they behaved the same way for the same reasons.

Hell between the Bush family and the Clintons we could blame them and that would hold more weight than blaming Obama. Between both those families they have what 16 years of holding office together?
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Americans are getting what they elected in 2008.
Americans are getting what they elected in 2010.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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DOW -632 at the close.

The Obama depression continues.

The Asian markets will go bonkers.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Near the water
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Well....this admin has increased the debt by how many trillions?
And cannot seem to cut anything?


No one in DC can agree the sky is blue right now, how will they come to an agreement on something as dire as the pulse of this Nation?

Yes, they have rung up their fair share at the register but a tremendous amount was also inherited.
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Old 08-08-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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What excuse will you use when it gets that bad?
Whadda ya got? What was Bush's excuse?
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