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What does it matter to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarism, or the holy name of liberty or democracy< quote from -Mahatma Gandhi
It mattered for WWII because it prevented even more dead, orphans and homeless.
Read the writings of Leo Strauss (mentor to Allan Bloom among others) and Albert Wohlstetter (mentor to Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle among others).
I am not against war.
I am against attacking an un-armed country.
Then why did you quote Gandhi?
An "unarmed" country... that's a good one. What about the Iraqi soldiers shooting back at U.S. troops; were they "unarmed?"
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BTW> where is Osama? :rolleyes
We never killed Hitler, either.
Osama is most likely somewhere in the mountains of Pakistan... do you think U.S. troops should invade that country to get him?
Then why did you quote Gandhi?
An "unarmed" country... that's a good one. What about the Iraqi soldiers shooting back at U.S. troops; were they "unarmed?"
Shocking. Truly amazing that an American citizen actually thinks it is "unfair" if the other side doesn't have as many guns as we do? Tell you what...Let's send someone over to pillage your home. But first, let's put a machine gun in his hand just in case you have a weapon too...I mean, we wouldn't want it to be unfair would we? Poor burglar...he wouldn't stand a fighting chance without a machine gun.
Please tell me you were joking.
You people can't have it both ways. You are against war AND against the atrocities committed under Husein's regime. You can't be both. Sometimes in life we are faced with deciding between something horrible and something really horrible. In this case, you have two-and only two-options: 1) You can do nothing. Saddam Hussein would continue to create dead, orphans, and homeless...by the millions. 2) You can try and stop the madman and the system he endorses. This creates dead, orphans, and homeless...but at least has a fighting chance of stopping the source in the long run. What you cannot do is be AGAINST the madman and DO NOTHING...that makes you weak and spineless. That philosophy is terribly short sighted and incredibly naive...almost child-like in its failure to understand how the real world works. If you heard your neighbor being raped, would you do nothing? Well, they didn't ASK for help. You don't want "to get involved", right? Or are you FOR rape? The only responsible reaction would be to get involved...for the sake of the victim and the sake of you being a decent human being. You can't be against rape, witness one, and do nothing. Just like you can't be against oppression, genocide, and terrorism and do nothing about it. I'm sorry you don't like the fact that we, as the most powerful nation in the world, have come to be the ones to do something about it, but that is just the way it is...goes with the territory.
You people can't have it both ways. You are against war AND against the atrocities committed under Husein's regime. You can't be both. Sometimes in life we are faced with deciding between something horrible and something really horrible. In this case, you have two-and only two-options: 1) You can do nothing. Saddam Hussein would continue to create dead, orphans, and homeless...by the millions. 2) You can try and stop the madman and the system he endorses. This creates dead, orphans, and homeless...but at least has a fighting chance of stopping the source in the long run. What you cannot do is be AGAINST the madman and DO NOTHING...that makes you weak and spineless. If you heard your neighbor being raped, would you do nothing? Well, they didn't ASK for help. You don't want "to get involved", right? Or are you FOR rape? The only responsible reaction would be to get involved...for the sake of the victim and the sake of you being a decent human being.
Cap
Souds good...but is completely bogus. There are a lot of our neighbors in Darfur getting massacred at the moment. Heck there are innocent people being victimized and abused all over the world. If we continue to do nothing are we "spineless"? Many conservatives as I recall disliked Clinton acting as a "global policeman". And there is something to be said for that.
Against war? No....against trying to square a circle and continuing to pretend there was any connection between Saddam and 9/11. If Bush had stood up there and instead of warned the country about mushroom clouds and imminent WMD threats to us (obviously a bunch of bull)...and instead said follow me nation - we are going to get rid one of the evil Middle East Dictators and spread Democracy in the Middle East, would the country have signed up? Please....
Shocking. Truly amazing that an American citizen actually thinks it is "unfair" if the other side doesn't have as many guns as we do? Tell you what...Let's send someone over to pillage your home. But first, let's put a machine gun in his hand just in case you have a weapon too...I mean, we wouldn't want it to be unfair would we? Poor burglar...he wouldn't stand a fighting chance without a machine gun.
Please tell me you were joking.
You people can't have it both ways. You are against war AND against the atrocities committed under Husein's regime. You can't be both. Sometimes in life we are faced with deciding between something horrible and something really horrible. In this case, you have two-and only two-options: 1) You can do nothing. Saddam Hussein would continue to create dead, orphans, and homeless...by the millions. 2) You can try and stop the madman and the system he endorses. This creates dead, orphans, and homeless...but at least has a fighting chance of stopping the source in the long run. What you cannot do is be AGAINST the madman and DO NOTHING...that makes you weak and spineless. That philosophy is terribly short sighted and incredibly naive...almost child-like in its failure to understand how the real world works. If you heard your neighbor being raped, would you do nothing? Well, they didn't ASK for help. You don't want "to get involved", right? Or are you FOR rape? The only responsible reaction would be to get involved...for the sake of the victim and the sake of you being a decent human being. You can't be against rape, witness one, and do nothing. Just like you can't be against oppression, genocide, and terrorism and do nothing about it. I'm sorry you don't like the fact that we, as the most powerful nation in the world, have come to be the ones to do something about it, but that is just the way it is...goes with the territory.
Cap
We have plenty of areas in the big cities all across this nation where a normal law-abiding citizen with a decent car better not drive after dark if they don't want to be carjacked and murdered. Some areas are so bad that you'd better not be caught out during the day on the wrong streets.
Seems to me we should do something about that first. As Jesus said, before:
"And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the plank in your own eye? "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brother's eye."
Luke 6:41-42 NKJV
Shocking. Truly amazing that an American citizen actually thinks it is "unfair" if the other side doesn't have as many guns as we do? Tell you what...Let's send someone over to pillage your home. But first, let's put a machine gun in his hand just in case you have a weapon too...I mean, we wouldn't want it to be unfair would we? Poor burglar...he wouldn't stand a fighting chance without a machine gun.
Please tell me you were joking.
You people can't have it both ways. You are against war AND against the atrocities committed under Husein's regime. You can't be both. Sometimes in life we are faced with deciding between something horrible and something really horrible. In this case, you have two-and only two-options: 1) You can do nothing. Saddam Hussein would continue to create dead, orphans, and homeless...by the millions. 2) You can try and stop the madman and the system he endorses. This creates dead, orphans, and homeless...but at least has a fighting chance of stopping the source in the long run. What you cannot do is be AGAINST the madman and DO NOTHING...that makes you weak and spineless. That philosophy is terribly short sighted and incredibly naive...almost child-like in its failure to understand how the real world works. If you heard your neighbor being raped, would you do nothing? Well, they didn't ASK for help. You don't want "to get involved", right? Or are you FOR rape? The only responsible reaction would be to get involved...for the sake of the victim and the sake of you being a decent human being. You can't be against rape, witness one, and do nothing. Just like you can't be against oppression, genocide, and terrorism and do nothing about it. I'm sorry you don't like the fact that we, as the most powerful nation in the world, have come to be the ones to do something about it, but that is just the way it is...goes with the territory.
Cap
I am NOT spineless by any means.
We put Saddam into power,provided him weapons, closed our eyes to the atrocities he was commiting until we decided he was no longer our friend.
The case for going into Iraq was 9-11 and weapons of mass destruction,which Iraq did not have and had nothing to do with 9-11.
Another quote> any people that would give up liberty for a little temporary
safety deserves neither liberty or safety.>Benjamin Franklin
What about the oppresion in Sudan,Darfur?
The most powerful nation in the world can't get Osama?
So they hold people without charging them indefinitly?
torture?
wire tapping?
Thousands of innocent Iraqis dead, over 3 thousand of our own dead, and what was the reason we went to Iraq?
At this time I do not see much difference between Saddam or George Bush.
The case for going into Iraq was 9-11 and weapons of mass destruction,
Why is it that I watched a ton of news, read a ton of articles, and stayed current with things in the buildup to the war, yet NEVER ONCE did I feel like 9/11 was our reasoning for going into Iraq?
The jump was always that "if you think 9/11 was bad, just think if terrorist got WMD's, and we have reason to believe Saddam has allowed Al Quaeda to operate in Iraq, and he also has a lot of hidden WMD's he is hiding and has been directly violating cease fire agreements from the first gulf war for around 10 years".
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