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Old 08-14-2011, 10:05 AM
 
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Seems like a lot of hair-splitting going on. Capitalism is about making money with no limits. Anyone who denies this is being dishonest or doesn't understand it. All under the guise of "controlling one's own destiny" or some crap line like that. I never claimed to be against capitalism. But it's so hard to get people to admit their driven by money alone. They manufacture all these silly reasons that sound good but are antiquated in an individualist culture.

Do I believe a lazy, unmotivated individual should enjoy the same rewards as myself? No. That gives me no incentive to "strive". But capitalism isn't about rewarding hard work.
I'm not sure where you're getting the idea anyone is denying the potential for endless profit under capitalism. I mean that's kind of what makes it so attractive after all, right? Honestly it seems you're arguing with yourself because the "points" you are contesting are words you yourself are putting into other people's mouths.

Capitalism has never been about fair and equal rewards and no one here has suggested such though you continually interpret it that way. We all regard it as a "system" that allows the opportunity for profit with no guarantees. We are all quite aware that you can work your butt off all your life and get nothing in return but dirt and spit or you could end up a billionaire by stumbling into a room at the right time. It's not about guarantees, it's about possibilities.

Capitalism isn't for everyone. In fact I personally don't think even half the people alive today are even capable of basic survival in a truly capitalistic world. Hell, 80% wouldn't make 72 hours if the nanny machinery stopped turning. If that sounds elitist to you...well... you're right. So?
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:31 AM
 
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That's not greed. That's ambition.
Losers call it greed - winners call it ambition.
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:32 AM
 
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My mistake. I'm such an "un-American", trying to get at truth and all....
You wouldn't recognize truth if you were swimming in a pool filled with it. Your agenda is to bring winners down to your level so you are "competitive".
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Are you suggesting Socialist States have no desire for income? Because that would be absurd.

You might want to enroll in ECON 101 this fall at your local university so you can understand the difference between property theories, like Capitalism, Socialism and Communism, and economic systems, like the Market, Command and Traditional systems.
Fresh out of college and thinks he knows everything. Have fun with that.
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Old 08-14-2011, 10:59 AM
 
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I was listening to this guy describing a (somewhat exaggerated) situation that goes like this.

Lets say there is a Coffee place that's a small business. A Starbucks is close, down the street. The place that isn't Starbucks is obviously not doing huge business compared to Starbucks, who of course are have great business and making great money regardless of whether or not that local shop is there. Starbucks opens another location on the other side of the local Coffee Shop, then another one across the street, with the sole purpose of driving that local place out of business.

Is this totally justified under the guise of Capitalism, or is this selfishness and greed?
What your failing to illustrate is that Starbucks most likely has lobbyists lobbying a congressman/woman to twist the rules in their favor. The rule is then bent in their favor, making it cheaper and easier to operate with huge profits, but the little guy can't afford such lobbyists. This is NOT capitalism, and should be illegal.
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:09 AM
 
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You wouldn't recognize truth if you were swimming in a pool filled with it. Your agenda is to bring winners down to your level so you are "competitive".
You sound like a wannabee winner. Like you want to be a part of the winners club someday. You sound too combative to be a winner.
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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You wouldn't recognize truth if you were swimming in a pool filled with it. Your agenda is to bring winners down to your level so you are "competitive".
And what's the truth according to a wannabee winner like yourself??
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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It's not about guarantees, it's about possibilities.
Yes, the possibilities of making lots of money. There you go trying to romanticize it.
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:23 AM
 
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Honestly it seems you're arguing with yourself because the "points" you are contesting are words you yourself are putting into other people's mouths.
I'm not arguing with anyone. And what words am I putting in your mouth? I'm saying capitalism is about turning over big profits. People like defend it like it's some greater good using words like "possibilities".
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Old 08-14-2011, 11:33 AM
 
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Is a justification needed? If so,

Wages have been going up, The cost of business has been going up. Are you blind, or just intentionally ignoring facts.

I am not speaking for them, I am simply noting, as an intelligent human being with greater than a 2nd grade education, that as a norm, prices on many aspects of oil and it's refining into gas and delivering to your gas pump, go up, just like many other things. The cost of growing an ear of corn out of the ground doesn't go, but seeding, fertilizing, harvesting, deliver to grocery stores, stocking/selling, all go up, which increases the price we pay for an ear of corn.

Additionally gas is now required to have alcohol added, which is MUCH more expensive.
So you're still speaking on behalf of the oil companies.

If the federal govt. controlled the supply you would be up in arms demanding an explanation. A private corporation controlling a resource people depend on in their everyday lives isn't the same as Macy's charging more for luxury items. So yeah, they owe us an explanation. You making assumptions about why prices aren't consistent doesn't quality.
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