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Old 08-21-2011, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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another tin foil caucus thread?
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Old 08-21-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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We all know she said no such thing.
Clean out your ears shill-er... They both say the lobby ws completely destroyed... BEFORE... the planes hit...



Explosions before planes hit WTC 911 9/11 - YouTube


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:12 AM
 
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I agree, 911 was a culmination of a lot of events over many many years and with many mistakes made, it can even be traced back to the mid-80s with the CIA and Reagan supplying funds and weapons to Osama bin Laden. Most people can't see into the future so unfortunatley it couldn't be prevented.
False.

Five myths about Osama bin Laden - The Washington Post
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:13 AM
 
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Just a reminder as we approach the 2012 elections. The largest terrorist attack on the United States happened on a Republicans watch.

"But everybody knows that!" you may be thinking. No, not quite, the voting population is consisting of more and more people who were either too young or, in the future, not even born yet when 9/11 happened. Because of this and because of the current rhetoric used by the cons there will come a time when a sizable proportion of the voting public thinks that 9/11 happened on Clinton's watch.

Consider the rhetoric, below are a few of the more common talking points we hear on TV and read on the internet, probaby radio too but I don't listen to talk radio

"Clinton did a terrible job protecting us"
"Clinton (didn't do this) and that led to 9/11"
"Clinton (did this) and that led to 9/11"

"Bush kept us safe"
"Bush kept us safe after 9/11"

And the whopper that's not really common but I'm going to add anyway
"There were no attacks on Bush's watch"

Now going by just the first five who's watch do you think 9/11 happened on? Sounds like it happened on Clinton's watch to me, I mean after all didn't Bush keep us safe? And didn't Clinton do a terrible job at protecting us? Even the "after 9/11" modifier could be interpreted to mean that 9/11 happened on the waning days of the Clinton Presidency.

I'm not saying this is a conspiracy by the cons in that they all sat around a big table nodding and winking. But they would love for it to happen and if the current rhetoric continues uncontested it will happen.
Clinton let Bin Laden get away like 3 times! Had he let him be captured or killed 9/11 would not have happened.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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Nobody can say that with any certainty over the fact when it did happen. But you're correct, the foundation was laid in the 1980s when the snakes were being fed all the milk the US government could instead of minding its own business.
False.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:20 AM
 
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LOL, nice try rewriting history. Everyone with a brain knows it happened under Bush's watch. He probably had a hand in it too.
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Meanwhile, the mastermind of the World Trade Center bombing was still on the run—and up to no good. We’d learned his name—Ramzi Yousef—within weeks after the attack and discovered he was planning more attacks, including the simultaneous bombing of a dozen U.S. international flights. Yousef was captured in Pakistan in February 1995, returned to America, and convicted along with the van driver, Eyad Ismoil. A seventh plotter, Abdul Yasin, remains at large.
[LEFT]We later learned from Yousef that his Trade Center plot was far more sinister. He wanted the bomb to topple one tower, with the collapsing debris knocking down the second. The attack turned out to be something of a deadly dress rehearsal for 9/11; with the help of Yousef’s uncle Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda would later return to realize Yousef’s nightmarish vision.[/LEFT]
FBI — FBI 100 - 1993 Trade Center Bombing
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:23 AM
 
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Because when Clinton was in office he did nothing to extinguish Bin Laden.
His cohort, Gore, did everything possible to leave this nation open to an attack by making the 2000 elections one of the most controversial and longest on record which effectively gave Bin Laden and team the largest window possible to pull off such an attack.
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Old 08-21-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Clean out your ears shill-er... They both say the lobby ws completely destroyed... BEFORE... the planes hit...



Explosions before planes hit WTC 911 9/11 - YouTube


"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

- Arthur Schopenhauer
I'll continue to ask for you to transcribe the portion you reference or even the time in the link she makes the statement. Since you can't I think we all know you simply aren't telling the truth.

Again it is instructive, Truthers must lie in order to come to the conclusion they do.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Oh... alright... I'll refute with a post since actual video evidence won't satisfy you...


FACT 1: WTC Building 7 was one of the largest buildings in downtown Manhattan. It was 47 stories tall, about half the height of the Towers, and took up an entire city block. It was 300 feet from the closest Twin Tower (the North Tower, WTC 1), and was a steel-framed, concrete structure.

FACT 2: WTC Building 7 – on its 23rd floor – housed an Emergency Command Center for the City of New York that Mayor Rudolph Giuliani had built in the mid-1990’s. On the morning of September 11th, Mayor Giuliani did not go “to his Command Center – with its clear view of the Twin Towers – but to a makeshift, street-level headquarters at 75 Barkley Street.” WTC 7 also held the offices of numerous government agencies, including the Department of Defense, the CIA, the Secret Service, the IRS, and the Security and Exchange Commission (SEC). Late 2001 was the time of “the height of the investigation into Enron, so the majority of Enron’s SEC filings were likely destroyed when World Trade Center 7 came down.”

FACT 3: WTC Building 7 was not hit by airplane or significant debris on September 11th. It had been evacuated after the planes hit the towers. By the afternoon of September 11th, there were a few small fires of unknown origin evident in the building, and these small fires could be seen in only a few of the hundreds and hundreds of windows in the building.

FACT 4: On September 11, 2001, at 5:20PM, EDT, World Trade Center Building 7 suddenly and rapidly collapsed. Beginning with the penthouse, all 47 stories of it imploded into its own footprint in less than seven seconds. Three different videos of Building 7’s vertical collapse – two from CBS video broadcasts, and one from an NBC news camera – can be seen online at http://wtc7.net/videos.html.

FACT 5: On September 16th, NASA flew an airplane over the World Trade Center site, recorded infrared radiation coming from the ground, and created a thermal map. The U.S. Geological Survey analyzed this data, and determined the actual temperature of the rubble. This map shows that five days after the collapse of Building 7, the surface temperature of a section of its rubble was 1,341º F. This high a temperature is indicative of the use of explosives.
“WTC 7’s rubble pile continued to smolder for months.”
FACT 6: Fire Engineering magazine is the 125-year-old paper-of-record of the fire engineering community. Bill Manning, editor-in-chief, wrote an Editor’s Opinion in the January, 2002 edition. His editorial, $elling Out the Investigation, pointed out that destruction of evidence – the hurried removal of rubble which should be examined by investigators – is illegal. He also issued a “call to action”. To quote excerpts:
“For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions … is on the slow boat to China …”
“I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall.”
“Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the ‘official investigation’ blessed by FEMA [Federal Emergency Management Agency] and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half baked farce [emphasis mine] that may have already been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members – described by one close source as a ‘tourist trip’ – no one’s checking evidence for anything.”
“The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately.”
“Firefighters, this is your call to action. …contact your representatives in Congress and officials in Washington and help us correct this problem immediately.”
FACT 7: In May of 2002, FEMA published their report #403 titled World Trade Center Building Performance Study. This report claims that the fires caused the building to collapse, but that the specifics of how this is supposed to have occurred “…remain unknown at this time.”


FACT 8: The collapse of WTC Building 7 shows five characteristics of a controlled demolition:
  1. It “dropped directly into its own footprint in a smooth, vertical motion”;
  2. It “collapsed completely in less than seven seconds”;
  3. “Dust streamed out of the upper floors of Building 7 early in its collapse”;
  4. “WTC 7’s roof inverted toward its middle as the collapse progressed”; and
  5. “WTC 7’s rubble was mostly confined to the block on which the building stood.”
FACT 9: “Larry Silverstein is a rather large player within the realms of 21st Century real estate, finance, and politics.” He “…had taken out a long lease on the World Trade Center only six weeks before 9/11. In a PBS documentary entitled ‘America Rebuilds’, originally aired in September of 2002, Silverstein made the following statement about Building 7:
‘I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, “We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.” And they made that decision to pull, and we watched the building collapse.’”
FACT 10: “It is inconceivable that anyone could be running around placing explosives in exactly the right places all within seven hours. In fact, implosions take a minimum of two weeks and up to two months to plan and place the charges. The fire department of New York does not even train their personnel to do controlled demolition. They are done by highly skilled experienced specialists who plan and test far ahead.”

FACT 11: “… [George W.] Bush’s brother, Marvin Bush, and his cousin, Wirt Walker III, were principles in the company [Stratesec, formerly named Securacom] that was in charge of security for the World Trade Center, with Walker being the CEO from 1999 until January 2002.”

Larry Silverstein, stated in so many words that the building had been collapsed by demolition. It takes weeks, if not months, to prepare the demolition of a building as large as WTC 7; this implosion could not have been engineered and implemented in seven chaotic hours on September 11th.
Did you ever see the south side, and it did not Collaspe into its footprint, a building next to it needed to be demolished because of Damanges from the WTC 7 collapse.
2) it collapsed it 13 seconds, the penthouse collapsed, then later the Building collapsed around the point of first failure, this happened because the building was hele up by 2 trusses, once one failed the rest of the Building crushed the other one.
3) no look closely and the "smoke" moves down with the building, its the Blinds in the windows, if you never heard of it its called inertia, it caused the ends to not move until yanked downward, making it apper like smoke.
4) Any Building will Slant towards the point of intail Failure, the intial failure of the South Tower was on the west side, so the top tilted to the west, then downward.
5) not true it may apper that way because it starts to mingle with the WTC 1 & 2 rubble, as well as WTC 3.
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Old 08-21-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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3) no look closely and the "smoke" moves down with the building, its the Blinds in the windows, if you never heard of it its called inertia, it caused the ends to not move until yanked downward, making it apper like smoke.
Maybe the smoke was "mirrored" by your tortured analysis.
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