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Where the hell is the sense of pride and self-worth in these idiots that runs these countries in making something here in this country, as opposed to shipping it off to Asia to make a few bucks.
sure they can do that and go bankrupt in the process because they've been squeezed out the market by the competition
sure they can do that and go bankrupt in the process because they've been squeezed out the market by the competition
There's ways to make our products here more competitive price-wise with products from China. Of course, most of them wouldn't make China too happy, but whatever.
b-b-but spending us to into oblivion today on unproven technologies is good for future generations.
There was a time when drilling for oil, and refining that oil into a usable fuel was an unproven technology. Do you think they rose from the depths of the underworld with the current technology or perhaps is it that the technology was developed along the way over the last 100 years?
There could be many factors that contributed to the failure of this business. Businesses fail all the time, but when one solar company fails, the small brained, pro-drill, anti-intellectuals go bonkers. "Oh, oh, oh, lookie, lookie, see? This solar company failed, so ALL non-fossil fuel energy will fail. See? See? See?"
Puleese.
Many of you are willing to blow the tops off of mountains, jeopardize peoples' health, destroy ecosystems and every frigging thing that lives in that ecosystem just to drill or get coal. And why?
Do you honestly think the oil companies would have grown to be the most profitable and successful industry in history without being on the government's subsidy teat?
Times are changing. When oil first came on the scene the coal barons fought up and coming oil industry like they were alien invaders. Oil eventually took over and became king, but it was not without a fight------the same kind of fight that the oil barons of today have launched against the alternative energy industry and everything that shows we need alternative energy.
Oil is finite.
The fossil fuel industry will eventually fall from the throne, whether one large solar company fails or not.
Sorry folks, but this is progress. As was with oil long ago, there will be stumbles along the way.
Solar is not going to replace oil, it would replace coal. How do you come to the conclusion it's kept artificially low?
The only thing that is being kept artificially low is the cost of renewables with the infusion of massive government subsidies.
Solar is not the only Green Energy at play. But, Solar can cut into the oil dependency. Solar generates power which would be needed for batteries to operate autos.
There was a time when drilling for oil, and refining that oil into a usable fuel was an unproven technology. Do you think they rose from the depths of the underworld with the current technology or perhaps is it that the technology was developed along the way over the last 100 years?
There could be many factors that contributed to the failure of this business. Businesses fail all the time, but when one solar company fails, the small brained, pro-drill, anti-intellectuals go bonkers. "Oh, oh, oh, lookie, lookie, see? This solar company failed, so ALL non-fossil fuel energy will fail. See? See? See?"
Puleese.
Many of you are willing to blow the tops off of mountains, jeopardize peoples' health, destroy ecosystems and every frigging thing that lives in that ecosystem just to drill or get coal. And why?
Do you honestly think the oil companies would have grown to be the most profitable and successful industry in history without being on the government's subsidy teat?
Times are changing. When oil first came on the scene the coal barons fought up and coming oil industry like they were alien invaders. Oil eventually took over and became king, but it was not without a fight------the same kind of fight that the oil barons of today have launched against the alternative energy industry and everything that shows we need alternative energy.
Oil is finite.
The fossil fuel industry will eventually fall from the throne, whether one large solar company fails or not.
Sorry folks, but this is progress. As was with oil long ago, there will be stumbles along the way.
Consumers should decide energy policy, not a corrupt, inept gang in DC throwing our stolen tax monies at their friends.
"Evergreen Solar Inc., the Massachusetts clean-energy company that received millions in state subsidies from the Patrick administration for an ill-fated Bay State factory, has filed for bankruptcy, listing $485.6 million in debt. Evergreen, which closed its taxpayer-supported Devens factory in March and cut 800 jobs, has been trying to rework its debt for months. Evergreen — hurt by lower-cost competition in China and plummeting prices for solar panels — also said it will cut more jobs — 65 layoffs in the United States and Europe, mostly through the shutdown of its Midland, Mich., manufacturing facility... To cut costs, Evergreen shifted some of its production to Wuhan, China, last year. That joint venture will remain operating subject to financing talks with Chinese investors."
Evergreen Solar files for bankruptcy, plans asset sale - BostonHerald.com (http://www.bostonherald.com/business/technology/general/view.bg?articleid=1358998&pos=breaking - broken link)
We're giving up drilling for domestic oil and coal mining for this? Can't say we haven't been warned. They got Stimulus money.
From a White House 2009 Press release:
"Evergreen Solar Was Hoping to Hire 90 to 100 People for Its Manufacturing Plant. "Evergreen Solar, the Marlborough-based maker of solar panels, also is hoping to hire 90 to 100 people at a manufacturing plant in Devens, said Gary Pollard, vice president of human resources. The plant, which opened last summer, is expected to employ more than 800 when it reaches full capacity." [Boston Globe, 3/6/09]"
We aren't giving up coal mining or domestic oil drilling from what I've heard.
PLEASE, show us where the President has issued executive orders ending all coal mining and oil drilling domestically.
As far as Green jobs failing, companies fail. How many oil companies have filled for bankruptcy? How many coal companies have closed their doors, been bought out, restructured, etc?
Its a whole lot more then just one, I'll guarantee you that.
Your rant has two false ideas.
1. That coal and oil capture has been restricted, or is being threatened to end the industry. Oil is just fine, making record profits, and all experts agree that if all restrictions were removed that were already in place when this President took office, that it wouldn't lower oil prices, and thus gasoline prices by more then 2%. Oil industry experts say that if all ocean restrictions were removed it would take over a decade to see one drop hit the market, and it wouldn't effect prices that much because of the high cost of oil drilling, even without restrictions.
2. That one companies failure indicates the failure of the entire industry. What would happen if Henry Ford had decided to close his factory when other manufacturers went bankrupt?
We aren't giving up coal mining or domestic oil drilling from what I've heard.
PLEASE, show us where the President has issued executive orders ending all coal mining and oil drilling domestically.
As far as Green jobs failing, companies fail. How many oil companies have filled for bankruptcy? How many coal companies have closed their doors, been bought out, restructured, etc?
Its a whole lot more then just one, I'll guarantee you that.
Your rant has two false ideas.
1. That coal and oil capture has been restricted, or is being threatened to end the industry. Oil is just fine, making record profits, and all experts agree that if all restrictions were removed that were already in place when this President took office, that it wouldn't lower oil prices, and thus gasoline prices by more then 2%. Oil industry experts say that if all ocean restrictions were removed it would take over a decade to see one drop hit the market, and it wouldn't effect prices that much because of the high cost of oil drilling, even without restrictions.
2. That one companies failure indicates the failure of the entire industry. What would happen if Henry Ford had decided to close his factory when other manufacturers went bankrupt?
What a silly thread.
They are failing with taxpayer money. Don't you know the difference?
There's ways to make our products here more competitive price-wise with products from China. Of course, most of them wouldn't make China too happy, but whatever.
LOL, you're in a dreamland. Here's what I often quote from an owner of a small company I know. Little bit of background but back in 2007 coal stove/stoker manufactures were looking at up to a one year back log of orders.
Quote:
In January a company came to me about having all of our stoves made in China. They would be shipped to LLS boxed and ready to sell. This at a much bigger profit than I could ever make working the way we do. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AS LONG AS I OWN LLS. I DON'T CARE HOW FAR BEHIND WE GET. THANKS. This is a great country and forum.
Jerry
He could of sat in a Lazy Boy and made more money. Jerry is upstanding guy and he had the luxury of not taking this offer because it's niche market without competition from overseas.
My question to you is this, what do you suggest Jerry does if one of his competitors takes this deal and begins to severely under cut his prices?
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