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Old 08-17-2011, 09:17 PM
 
Location: southwestern USA
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I admire Ron Paul for his independence, courage, and tenacity.

Although, I dont think the country is quite ready for Mr. Paul, he does have some solid ideas and conclusions. He is not a man to be brushed off without consideration.

He is a decent ethical man-----just too independent and pointed to be mainstream------good man though.
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Old 08-17-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Yikes, Wiki was one of several sources I used. Were they all wrong too?

Your argument is pure nuttiness. Here is what will happen if we follow your advice. Excuse Wiki.

Hyperinflation in the Weimar Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The various belligerent Governments, unable, or too timid or too short-sighted to secure from loans or taxes the resources they required, have printed notes for the balance.""

I know why you rely on videos and other sources, and you have not used any of your own words to describe what you are trying to explain. You simply have no understanding what you are trying to debate.
Everything you write is from wiki and you say I don't use my own words? How funny.

The monetary reform act puts strict limits on the amout of currency. Just like England in 1100 and Rome in 300BC did.

Why have other nations in history (including Us) done what I propose?
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Old 08-18-2011, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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Now there is something that I can agree with--returning power to individual states.

Yes!

We need a constitutional amendment to address this and clarify the Commerce Clause.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:26 AM
 
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I admire Ron Paul for his independence, courage, and tenacity.

Although, I dont think the country is quite ready for Mr. Paul, he does have some solid ideas and conclusions. He is not a man to be brushed off without consideration.

He is a decent ethical man-----just too independent and pointed to be mainstream------good man though.
Don't think Paul will live long enough to see the country ready for him. He's already 77 - he's out of time.
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Old 08-18-2011, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Yea, he is all for the eliminating the governments ability to limit choices all right........except when it concerns women and their choice to carry a pregnancy or not.

I guess women are the only ones who don't get personal and individual choice in Ron Paul's version of small governmnent.

He will never get my vote. I will never vote for anyone who advocates overturning Roe v Wade.
Yes, an anti-choice view is totally inconsistent with the Libertarian philosophy, but Paul has been influenced by both religion and his background as an obstetrician (infant doctor). He saw so many wealthy mothers rejoicing in their future children that he lost sight of the problem of unwanted and unaffordable pregnancies occurring in the very lowest classes. Those fetuses, if allowed to eventually become children, face nothing but hell--particularly now that our nation is in decline and economy in collapse.

But let's keep things in perspective: abortion is a minor matter that actually influences very few people. In the future, as America goes back to the Libertarian freedom we lost long ago, it will become more apparent that abortion is NOT a matter to be legislated by Washington politicians. Also, as a strong advocate of State's rights rather than anti-American federal supremacy, he should support the States addressing the abortion issue in their own ways. Our freedom of travel will make sure those who need to terminate a pregnancy will not be forced to resort to coat hangers and back-alley butchery.

For now we have to wage the MAJOR battle to save our nation from the repressive government that, in collusion with Big Business, is destroying our nation. Dealing with the details of a comprehensively free nation will come in time.

Unless we elect in Ron Paul in 2012, we won't HAVE a nation to have any abortion policy, restrictive or not. When we're starving in the streets, killing each other for access to water and resources, and dying of minor infections, most women won't survive childbirth anyway.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Yes, an anti-choice view is totally inconsistent with the Libertarian philosophy, but Paul has been influenced by both religion and his background as an obstetrician (infant doctor). He saw so many wealthy mothers rejoicing in their future children that he lost sight of the problem of unwanted and unaffordable pregnancies occurring in the very lowest classes. Those fetuses, if allowed to eventually become children, face nothing but hell--particularly now that our nation is in decline and economy in collapse.

But let's keep things in perspective: abortion is a minor matter that actually influences very few people. In the future, as America goes back to the Libertarian freedom we lost long ago, it will become more apparent that abortion is NOT a matter to be legislated by Washington politicians. Also, as a strong advocate of State's rights rather than anti-American federal supremacy, he should support the States addressing the abortion issue in their own ways. Our freedom of travel will make sure those who need to terminate a pregnancy will not be forced to resort to coat hangers and back-alley butchery.

For now we have to wage the MAJOR battle to save our nation from the repressive government that, in collusion with Big Business, is destroying our nation. Dealing with the details of a comprehensively free nation will come in time.

Unless we elect in Ron Paul in 2012, we won't HAVE a nation to have any abortion policy, restrictive or not. When we're starving in the streets, killing each other for access to water and resources, and dying of minor infections, most women won't survive childbirth anyway.

Repped!
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Miami
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For now we have to wage the MAJOR battle to save our nation from the repressive government that, in collusion with Big Business, is destroying our nation. Dealing with the details of a comprehensively free nation will come in time.
you forgot the Bilderbergs...

it will be repressive in that the grand decisions of the direction of our country will not have anything to do with our will, but I'd be willing to bet that you'd still be able to watch dancing with the stars and eat processed food, and maybe take the occasional trip to vegas

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Unless we elect in Ron Paul in 2012, we won't HAVE a nation to have any abortion policy, restrictive or not. When we're starving in the streets, killing each other for access to water and resources, and dying of minor infections, most women won't survive childbirth anyway.
the Bilderbergs just might let it go to that, but a better alternative for them would just be a peaceful transition to expanding the nation another 140 million people or so, even if 30-40 million won't take it lightly...

also, not sure if you did not know, but Soros and Buffet are buying up large swaths of farmland... farmland with freshwater streams running through are some of the best hedge fund investments now, sorry we are late to the party

other than that, you get a +1, bravo!

Ron Paul is the teacher Spread the word

We are not the United States of America, we are the United STATES of America
-Obamachange 2012
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Don't think Paul will live long enough to see the country ready for him. He's already 77 - he's out of time.
There's no "expiration date" on intelligence and productivity, and the elite political class has the best health care in the world. I have no doubt their average life expectancy is far beyond that of the working-class American, and even my Dad was 100% intellectually until his death at age 87.

And Ron Paul is hardly the oldest in Congress: "As of August 18, 2011, 3 senators are in their 80s, 19 are in their 70s" List of current United States Senators by age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Ralph Hall (R-TX), 87, born May 3, 1923, is the oldest House member, as well as the oldest current Member of Congress. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), 87, born January 23, 1924, is the oldest member serving in the Senate." The 112th Congress: By the Numbers - The Morning Delivery

Hardly a valid reason to discount the ONE chance we have to turn our nation from its current course over the cliff, petal to the metal. And besides, haven't we learned our lesson about supporting the Big Mouth with no experience, no track record, and no accomplishments--and hoping he reforms the corrupt Upper Class Country Club that he desperately wants to belong to?

Ron Paul's got my vote because NONE of the others (Republican or Democrat) will stop the bankrupting War-Mongering, take the government shackles off the economy, reduce the taxes that equalize the working class to consistently poor, allow small business to thrive again, or fix the one-side "Free Trade" agreements that crippled our economy.

"Eighty percent (80%) of voters say the country is heading down the wrong track....Even a majority (63%) of Democrats now say the country is heading in the wrong direction." Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

We recognize that things are bad, and getting worse. We need to stop voting for empty promises, and elect someone who devoted his life to the principles that we are just now realizing were lost long ago, with devastating consequences for the nation.

In 2012 support Ron Paul and the Second American Revolution, "The 360-degree Revolution," that will bring us back to American freedom, prosperity, and hope for the future.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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There's no "expiration date" on intelligence and productivity, and the elite political class has the best health care in the world. I have no doubt their average life expectancy is far beyond that of the working-class American, and even my Dad was 100% intellectually until his death at age 87.

And Ron Paul is hardly the oldest in Congress: "As of August 18, 2011, 3 senators are in their 80s, 19 are in their 70s" List of current United States Senators by age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia "Ralph Hall (R-TX), 87, born May 3, 1923, is the oldest House member, as well as the oldest current Member of Congress. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ), 87, born January 23, 1924, is the oldest member serving in the Senate." The 112th Congress: By the Numbers - The Morning Delivery

Hardly a valid reason to discount the ONE chance we have to turn our nation from its current course over the cliff, petal to the metal. And besides, haven't we learned our lesson about supporting the Big Mouth with no experience, no track record, and no accomplishments--and hoping he reforms the corrupt Upper Class Country Club that he desperately wants to belong to?

Ron Paul's got my vote because NONE of the others (Republican or Democrat) will stop the bankrupting War-Mongering, take the government shackles off the economy, reduce the taxes that equalize the working class to consistently poor, allow small business to thrive again, or fix the one-side "Free Trade" agreements that crippled our economy.

"Eighty percent (80%) of voters say the country is heading down the wrong track....Even a majority (63%) of Democrats now say the country is heading in the wrong direction." Right Direction or Wrong Track - Rasmussen Reportsâ„¢

We recognize that things are bad, and getting worse. We need to stop voting for empty promises, and elect someone who devoted his life to the principles that we are just now realizing were lost long ago, with devastating consequences for the nation.

In 2012 support Ron Paul and the Second American Revolution, "The 360-degree Revolution," that will bring us back to American freedom, prosperity, and hope for the future.

My only hope is that the revolting will be done at the voting booths, and without bloodshed.
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Old 08-18-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Yes, an anti-choice view is totally inconsistent with the Libertarian philosophy, but Paul has been influenced by both religion and his background as an obstetrician (infant doctor). He saw so many wealthy mothers rejoicing in their future children that he lost sight of the problem of unwanted and unaffordable pregnancies occurring in the very lowest classes. Those fetuses, if allowed to eventually become children, face nothing but hell--particularly now that our nation is in decline and economy in collapse.

But let's keep things in perspective: abortion is a minor matter that actually influences very few people. In the future, as America goes back to the Libertarian freedom we lost long ago, it will become more apparent that abortion is NOT a matter to be legislated by Washington politicians. Also, as a strong advocate of State's rights rather than anti-American federal supremacy, he should support the States addressing the abortion issue in their own ways. Our freedom of travel will make sure those who need to terminate a pregnancy will not be forced to resort to coat hangers and back-alley butchery.

For now we have to wage the MAJOR battle to save our nation from the repressive government that, in collusion with Big Business, is destroying our nation. Dealing with the details of a comprehensively free nation will come in time.

Unless we elect in Ron Paul in 2012, we won't HAVE a nation to have any abortion policy, restrictive or not. When we're starving in the streets, killing each other for access to water and resources, and dying of minor infections, most women won't survive childbirth anyway.
It seems you too, have lost sight of what it is to be poor. Probably very easy for you to take a couple of vacation days from your job, jump in your car or on a plane, travel hundreds of miles, get a nice motel room.....all so you can avail yourself of abortion services that are not offered in your state.

If abortion is such a minor issue, why don't the Republican's just drop it? Why are conservative states wasting time and money drafting lesgislation to restrict abortion during these trying times? Don't they have more important issues to focus on?

Roe v Wade is not "reperessive" government. It puts women on a more level playing field with men, it gives women the freedom to control their own lives. No one is forced to abort. Freedom....liberty. We already have an abortion policy that works quite well.....there is no reason for a re-do.....and all of the time and costs involved....all resulting in more government interference where it does not belong, in the private lives of its citizens. Doesn't matter if it is State government interference or Federal government interference......it is still a government entity trying to control people's private lives.

There is no reason for women to sacrifice the right to abortion due to the economics of these times.....in fact.....it is during times like these that women especially need that right. Being forced to have a child you cannot afford and ending up needing entitlements to survive is not going to help our cash strapped government.

Bottom line..... you contend that we need to give government MORE control now, so we can have LESS in the future? Oh please, LMAO.

If this is Ron Paul's approach to getting government out of our lives....all the more reason not to vote for him.
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