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Old 08-19-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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I'd like to start a compelling discussion on the future of the US/Mexican border. I only ask let’s try to keep this as civil as possible and discuss solutions and agree to disagree, try not to make it like a dog chasing its own tail.

I honestly feel neither Democrats nor Republicans have a grip on this situation. This story tends to take a backseat as there are obviously other pressing issues in the world. However the rate of violent crime in Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana is alarming and spilling over into the states. Some of this is rooted in the beginning of the war on drugs started back in the Nixon era and evolved into an endless cycle of gun exchange from the US and drug trade for an eager US market. If Mexico had more opportunities for its citizens it wouldn't be nearly as bad.

Rates of incarceration have skyrocketed in the US. Candidates like Ron Paul suggests a solution is to be more lenient on drug laws and policy. I can't see anybody else in the ring that would have the guts to make a claim and is very bold and outside the box. But I ponder it and wonder as this defeatist war on drugs carries on.

What do you think solutions are for this problem?
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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Make it all legal. In fact have the government sell the stuff dirt cheap but only in very small doses. Cut out the cartels revenue and we could save on by not spending on our war on drugs.

No reason to kill people if there isn't money into it unless you're insane.
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Old 08-19-2011, 07:56 AM
 
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Enforce the border. It's like anything, the cartels commit their crimes because they can and as long as the border remains wide open and unenforced, the cartels will smuggle humans, drugs, child prostitutes, stolen and carjacked vehicles and everything else over it.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Miami
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Enforce the border. It's like anything, the cartels commit their crimes because they can and as long as the border remains wide open and unenforced, the cartels will smuggle humans, drugs, child prostitutes, stolen and carjacked vehicles and everything else over it.
Or you could legalize drugs, and open the southern border completely, have free movement of people and goods, enforce the perimeter, the skies, and enforce a huge no fly zone that extends much farther than you could ever imagine, and start a bunch new wars in the Middle East...oh yeah, we could combine currencies as well
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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Or you could legalize drugs, and open the southern border completely, have free movement of people and goods, enforce the perimeter, the skies, and enforce a huge no fly zone that extends much farther than you could ever imagine, and start a bunch new wars in the Middle East...oh yeah, we could combine currencies as well
Cartels aren't just into drugs. We can legalize vehicle theft, extortion, kidnap for ransom too -- they do all that.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:07 AM
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Cartels aren't just into drugs. We can legalize vehicle theft, extortion, kidnap for ransom too -- they do all that.
Actually our own government is quite adept at all the things you have enumerated.

But I'll bet you support it's efforts eh?
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Miami
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Cartels aren't just into drugs. We can legalize vehicle theft, extortion, kidnap for ransom too -- they do all that.
Don't be sarcastic
Vehicle theft is not the sole domain of cartels.
Extortion and kidnapping will remain illegal and are by-products of the drug wars

A lot of people in high places support the solution of opening the southern border completely, for free movement of goods and people; they also support combining our currencies (to make them stronger). Also, remember our southern neighbor is a top oil producer. I am sure we'll get a piece of that. Then we can use the military to protect our zones and also engage in Middle East Wars, problem solved for now.
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Old 08-19-2011, 08:42 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This does work!

When I'm at the computer I have it running in a window.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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Legalizing drugs basically eliminates the greatest source of income for these gangs/cartels. We need to do it and then treat all drugs like we do to tobacco products (education, taxation, regulation). We also need to have our military in on that conflict because it is the only conflict (going on) that is constitutionally correct (Iraq, Afgh/Pak, and Libya are not). The cartels will adapt - you can count on it. But, if we can make them less powerful by taking away their bread and butter - hellsyeah, let's do it.
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Old 08-19-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Legalizing drugs basically eliminates the greatest source of income for these gangs/cartels. We need to do it and then treat all drugs like we do to tobacco products (education, taxation, regulation). We also need to have our military in on that conflict because it is the only conflict (going on) that is constitutionally correct (Iraq, Afgh/Pak, and Libya are not). The cartels will adapt - you can count on it. But, if we can make them less powerful by taking away their bread and butter - hellsyeah, let's do it.

Spot on Bulldawg! Dry up their funds, and they either have to go legit, or find something else. And you're right, education, and a little common sense is how you deal with drug issues. Throwing someone in prison for using cocaine no matter how stupid it is, will do more harm to that person and their families in the long run, then it will do any good.
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