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Old 08-20-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Documentaries are generally biased. An example of a well researched, conservative documentary would be Milton Friedman's "Free to Choose" series.
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Old 08-20-2011, 02:54 PM
 
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You just changed my mind, speakingfalse. I see now that Californian academia is nothing more than a repository of scum-sucking liberals.

Are you happy now?

Back to the topic, do you know of any well-researched, thoughtful, insightful, and convincing documentaries from the conservative perspective? I've seen Maloney's film, and I don't want to watch it again because I thought it was stupid. Do you know of any other titles?
You just changed my mind, speakingfalse. I see now that Californian academia is nothing more than a repository of scum-sucking liberals.

Are you happy now?


What an...amazingly immature response! Really, you are coming across as a sore loser. You are so ignorant of society and the field you (supposedly) work in, that you are angry and petulant that you were exposed.

Really, at this point, my work here is done. You've been exposed and reduced to being angry and pissy. You were given direct challenges to respond to factual stats and events, backed up by credible and neutral sources, and you backed down. I'm sorry, you need to back up your criticism with more than pure evasions of fact and saying you thought the documentary was "stupid".

This one was too easy.
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Old 08-20-2011, 03:40 PM
 
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So my girlfriend and I a lot and do a lot of writing. On the weekends we like to veg out in front of the TV. Lately, she's been getting two documentaries a week from netflix. The topics are a wide variety, from Cesar Chavez, the moving of the Brooklyn Dodgers, civil strife in Liberia, the end of South African apartheid, U.S. hegemony and Latin America, the Nike swoosh and marketing, religion in American society, and the list goes on. Since May we've watched roughly 35 documentaries.

In most of these, they are well-done, well-researched, and insightful. Though we don't necessarily agree with all of the claims made in these films.

I noticed that every documentary we've watched, all are from a liberal perspective. I told my girlfriend that it'd be good to see what a conservative documentary looks like from a conservative perspective particularly the information and research put into such a documentary.

So she found one on netflix entitled "I Want Your Money." It was by far the worst documentary we've watched. Very little 'facts' were presented in the movie. Mostly it focused on Obama and Bill and Hilary Clinton that amounted to polemics, and they movie maker took liberties with Ronald Reagan's terms as POTUS. Very little information was cited, if any at all. It was done on a third grade level.

Certainly there are some better documentaries from the conservative perspective. Can anyone recommend a title?

Also, I've come to expect all kinds of insults about my supposed membership in certain political parties, given that this is what message board forums are all about. That's fine, but for the record, I really hate all politicians and political parties.

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Old 08-20-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Pleasant Ridge, Cincinnati, OH
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Yes, an excellent one, from Evan Coyne Maloney. It's entitled INDOCTRINATE U. See a trailer on youtube:


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Google it, no, better yet, buy it. It's very insightful and slays many of the liberal excuses that a liberal bias doesn't exist in academia.
Interesting... I went to engineering school, so it was fairly apolitical. However, it was a state school, so you could imagine that an organization which relied on the government to... well... exist, would be a bit biased towards socialistic policies.
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Old 08-20-2011, 06:49 PM
 
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So my girlfriend and I a lot and do a lot of writing. On the weekends we like to veg out in front of the TV. Lately, she's been getting two documentaries a week from netflix. The topics are a wide variety, from Cesar Chavez, the moving of the Brooklyn Dodgers, civil strife in Liberia, the end of South African apartheid, U.S. hegemony and Latin America, the Nike swoosh and marketing, religion in American society, and the list goes on. Since May we've watched roughly 35 documentaries.

In most of these, they are well-done, well-researched, and insightful. Though we don't necessarily agree with all of the claims made in these films.

I noticed that every documentary we've watched, all are from a liberal perspective. I told my girlfriend that it'd be good to see what a conservative documentary looks like from a conservative perspective particularly the information and research put into such a documentary.

So she found one on netflix entitled "I Want Your Money." It was by far the worst documentary we've watched. Very little 'facts' were presented in the movie. Mostly it focused on Obama and Bill and Hilary Clinton that amounted to polemics, and they movie maker took liberties with Ronald Reagan's terms as POTUS. Very little information was cited, if any at all. It was done on a third grade level.

Certainly there are some better documentaries from the conservative perspective. Can anyone recommend a title?

Also, I've come to expect all kinds of insults about my supposed membership in certain political parties, given that this is what message board forums are all about. That's fine, but for the record, I really hate all politicians and political parties.

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Old 08-20-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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So my girlfriend and I a lot and do a lot of writing. On the weekends we like to veg out in front of the TV. Lately, she's been getting two documentaries a week from netflix. The topics are a wide variety, from Cesar Chavez, the moving of the Brooklyn Dodgers, civil strife in Liberia, the end of South African apartheid, U.S. hegemony and Latin America, the Nike swoosh and marketing, religion in American society, and the list goes on. Since May we've watched roughly 35 documentaries.

In most of these, they are well-done, well-researched, and insightful. Though we don't necessarily agree with all of the claims made in these films.

I noticed that every documentary we've watched, all are from a liberal perspective. I told my girlfriend that it'd be good to see what a conservative documentary looks like from a conservative perspective particularly the information and research put into such a documentary.

So she found one on netflix entitled "I Want Your Money." It was by far the worst documentary we've watched. Very little 'facts' were presented in the movie. Mostly it focused on Obama and Bill and Hilary Clinton that amounted to polemics, and they movie maker took liberties with Ronald Reagan's terms as POTUS. Very little information was cited, if any at all. It was done on a third grade level.

Certainly there are some better documentaries from the conservative perspective. Can anyone recommend a title?


Also, I've come to expect all kinds of insults about my supposed membership in certain political parties, given that this is what message board forums are all about. That's fine, but for the record, I really hate all politicians and political parties.
I used to watch some of those things on Free SpeechTV but found out today that DishNet doesn't have that one anymore. There were some really funny ones there. I just remembered that there wasn't anything among them that wasn't as liberal as all hell.

I always got a kick out of that place. I kept hearing that Fox News was so conservative that is was horrible but they did allow liberals to talk there and Free Speech was never liable to have any cons on their channel.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:17 PM
 
Location: New York City
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The BBC makes documentaries by conservatives like Niall Ferguson, but they're not very political and Ferguson is very moderate by American standards. Personally, I think the most interesting documentaries are about people rather than politics.

Many of these other recommendations are by conspiracy theorists, not documentarians.
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Old 08-20-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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So my girlfriend and I a lot and do a lot of writing. On the weekends we like to veg out in front of the TV. Lately, she's been getting two documentaries a week from netflix. The topics are a wide variety, from Cesar Chavez, the moving of the Brooklyn Dodgers, civil strife in Liberia, the end of South African apartheid, U.S. hegemony and Latin America, the Nike swoosh and marketing, religion in American society, and the list goes on. Since May we've watched roughly 35 documentaries.

In most of these, they are well-done, well-researched, and insightful. Though we don't necessarily agree with all of the claims made in these films.

I noticed that every documentary we've watched, all are from a liberal perspective. I told my girlfriend that it'd be good to see what a conservative documentary looks like from a conservative perspective particularly the information and research put into such a documentary.

So she found one on netflix entitled "I Want Your Money." It was by far the worst documentary we've watched. Very little 'facts' were presented in the movie. Mostly it focused on Obama and Bill and Hilary Clinton that amounted to polemics, and they movie maker took liberties with Ronald Reagan's terms as POTUS. Very little information was cited, if any at all. It was done on a third grade level.

Certainly there are some better documentaries from the conservative perspective. Can anyone recommend a title?


Also, I've come to expect all kinds of insults about my supposed membership in certain political parties, given that this is what message board forums are all about. That's fine, but for the record, I really hate all politicians and political parties.

"Documentaries", by their nature, tend to be a movie version of whining. As liberals and democrats have this part of the emotional spectrum cornered, one would only expect "documentaries" to be liberal in nature.

PS- Most of the "documentaries" that you love are just propaganda pieces. Witness the "documentaries" of Michael Moore and more recently, Al Gore.
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Old 08-20-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: SC
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You misrepresented my post about Maloney's documentary.

I say there is no liberal bias in academia because I know conservative professors, administrators, instructors, lecturers, grad students, and undergrads. The majority of the people who work and/or attend my university are conservatives. They proclaim themselves as conservatives.

My point about students is, and read carefully here, they do not listen to me. They don't even listen to me give them directions on how to do an assignment. For example, I tell them I want papers done in Times New Roman Font, 12-point, black, double-spaced I say this at the beginning of each class period and it never fails. I get a majority of papers in purple, Helvetica, and single-spaced!! And this is even written on my syllabus, which few if any student ever reads.

I'm continuing my point here, so keep reading carefully. Let's say for argument's sake, I tell my students that they need to vote for liberal candidates. They wouldn't listen to me because I see them reading the college newspaper, on their computers the dudes are looking at ESPN.com and the women are looking at facebook, while countless others are texting on their phones.

I know students don't listen to me because in lecture I give textbook definitions of things like "communism" "socialism" "capitalism" "fascism" etc, etc, and just for kicks and giggles, on the midterm, I pick one of these terms for them to define. Here's some of the latest responses I received from the summer term on the students' definition of "communism."
"...a dictatorship led by Obama and Pelosi..."
"...something really really bad..."
"...this thing in the past that Americans hated..."
"...a government making people slaves..."
"...worse than capitalism..."
"...Stalin, Lenin, Castro and that whole bunch..."
"...a government where the working class kills everybody..."
.......and I could go on with ridiculous responses. Point is, 90% of my students in my summer survey could not repeat the simple definition of communism that I stated in class over and over and over.

My definition of communism that I provided in lecture is as follows: Communism is an economic system in which the means of production (factories, land, raw materials, etc.) is commonly owned. Communism functions as based on Marxian political philosophy in which he stated that class tensions would inevitably lead to class warfare, and thus communism seeks to eradicate class distinctions in favor of a dictatorship of the proletariat or working class. The end game of a communist economic system is a near utopia where each worker is paid according to his/her abilities and needs. Communism is significant because it is the polar opposite to fascism [and then I enter a definition of capitalism here in my lectures].

I state all of this to show you all that my students do not listen to even the most simplest things in my class. So if they don't listen to the simple things, then what makes you or Maloney believe that college instructors even have the ability to either indoctrinate students or brainwash them??

Since you didn't get it in my other post, I'll reiterate. I don't care what college student think. I don't care who they vote for. I just want them to critically evaluate information and give me their opinion of it and only about 10% of my students over the past 4 years have been able to do anything like that (and even most of that is drivel).

I'm an instructor. I teach freshmen-level surveys. Freshmen are the worst of all college students because they're on campus for beer and circus (and they're forced to take 6 hours of history surveys). With that in mind, my ideas about students' listening abilities may be skewed. Yet my conclusions about students have been confirmed even by my conservative friends in my academic department--the PhDs who tell me that their upper-level students don't listen to them either.

Now that's another contention I have with Maloney's work--he included only case examples from colleges with a known liberal atmosphere. If you go to the park where there's ducks expecting to find ducks, then by god you're going to find some ducks. Another problem in Maloney's stellar documentary--he relies on the experiences of just a few college students, some of whom might have been angry about a poor grade they earned in class. That's another thing about today's college students--they're vindictive. If they show up for only 30% of my classes, do poorly on the two midterms and lone final exam, earn an F, they are then prone to lawyer up and go to the administration. Much of my summers are spent hashing it out with some disgruntled student.

I could go on about plagiarism. You know what the most plagiarized internet site out there is (by the students I've had anyway)--Conservapedia!!!! If what Maloney says is true--that college students have been indoctrinated or brainwashed by liberal profs, then why do so many plagiarize Conservapedia??

Fact is, if Maloney is correct, then liberal college profs are doing a very poor job of indoctrination.

My last bone to pick with Maloney--he takes too many pages from Michael Moore's playbook and I can't stand Moore's documentaries. They're so cheap and play too much on people's emotions. He twists information and evidence, but I guess that's what filmakers do--they appeal to the viewers' emotions--but for an academic like me, I can see write through that facade.

As for the "sit-ins" that you mentioned, nothing like this has occurred at my university ever. I think the time period you're referring to is the 1960s and early 1970s when I wasn't even born yet and sit-ins did not occur on every campus--but did occur on some of the largest.

So these are the points I made that in my opinion obliterate Maloney's thesis. Colleges are not places where indoctrination occurs. Colleges are places where serious work goes on--and much of the research that goes on at my university is used by the private sector for development of new products. That's what higher learning does.

If people do not want to be exposed to diverse viewpoints and critical thinking, then go to trade school, but don't waste your money on college!
I think your students' responses to your question about what Communism is , is a perfect example of the dumbing down that has been going on in our educational system for decades. Your students sound like they should be put back to the 7th grade level! You teach at the college level??? How much are they paying for tuition?

Maybe they don't listen because they CAN'T listen. Their attention span is that of a gnat probably and it is BY DESIGN. If they can't listen they SURELY can't think. The last thing elites want are thinking adults to challenge them. Charlotte Iserbyt shows how the curriculum has changed ON PURPOSE to handicap kids.
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