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Old 08-22-2011, 06:45 PM
 
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No one is using Rev. Wright. We are defining what Rev. Wright is and what he teaches. Obama sat under this man and called him his spiritual leader. We are just stating the truth.
Okay. Have fun.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:46 PM
 
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Rev. Wright is a divider and a man who exploits his congregation with hate and division. This is not Christian.

Rev. Wright is a man who benefits from the hate and division from his congregation. They just built him a million dollar home in an all white neighborhood.

Rev. Wright uses God to get what HE wants. He wants to divide and get his congregation to praise him and make they feel as though they are enlightened to white hate through distortion.

Rev. Wright is a man who follows Black Liberation which says whites are the devil . Black Liberation believes not the gospel as taught by Christians. It is a different belief that Jesus is black and came to liberate the black race only. There is no salvation or coming to know Christ as a personal savior.There is no love as Jesus preached. It is a dividing hate and no good comes out of it.. Obama followed Black Liberation for 20 years. James Cone and Reverend Wright have written books on the subject.. this is a description of Black Liberation.

Black liberation theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Compare what you wrote to what is found in the Wikipedia article you linked. Very little or any of what you asserted can be found in the article.

Rev Wright worked practically his entire career as a Minister in a predominantly white denomination (95%+). Just who is he dividing from?

In UCC congregations such as Trinity the congregations have the authority, not the ministers. The congregation decides on his compensation.

If white hatred was promoted at Trinity, why did the congregation remain within the UCC (a 95%+ white denomination). They are free to leave the denomination when ever they choose. Not only did the stay within the denomination, but they are one of the, if not the largest, financial contributors to the denomination.

Black Liberation Theology does not proclaim that whites are the devil. Liberation Theology is not about liberating a single race. Anyone who claims that people worshiping at Trinity UCC don't accept Christ as their personnel savior have never actually attended worship there.

You should actually read what Dr. Cone and Rev. Wright have written before making such ludicrous assertions.

The following passage is from Stephen Mansfield's book, "The Faith of Barack Obama". Mansfield is a conservative evangelical who actually visited Trinity UCC and attended multiple services.

Critics of Obama and, certainly, of Jeremiah Wright wonder whether anything approximating the traditional Christian gospel is preached at Trinity Church. Wright's political pronouncements have been so radical and his demeanor in YouTube clips so angry that it is hard for some, particularly evangelicals, to accept that the church is anything more than a black Marxist recruitment center. Yet this is part of the sometimes confusing nature of both Wright and his church. Yes, Jesus Christ is offered to sinners as the Son of God who died and rose again. Yes, the church calls men to be saved from death and hell through confessing their wrongs and submitting their lives to a crucified Christ. Yes , this is the "born-again, new birth, blood-washed, Spirit-empowered Christianity" that evangelicals know.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:50 PM
 
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Compare what you wrote to what is found in the Wikipedia article you linked. Very little or any of what you asserted can be found in the article.

Rev Wright worked practically his entire career as a Minister in a predominantly white denomination (95%+). Just who is he dividing from?

In UCC congregations such as Trinity the congregations have the authority, not the ministers. The congregation decides on his compensation.

If white hatred was promoted at Trinity, why did the congregation remain within the UCC (a 95%+ white denomination). They are free to leave the denomination when ever they choose. Not only did the stay within the denomination, but they are one of the, if not the largest, financial contributors to the denomination.

Black Liberation Theology does not proclaim that whites are the devil. Liberation Theology is not about liberating a single race. Anyone who claims that people worshiping at Trinity UCC don't accept Christ as their personnel savior have never actually attended worship there.

You should actually read what Dr. Cone and Rev. Wright have written before making such ludicrous assertions.

The following passage is from Stephen Mansfield's book, "The Faith of Barack Obama". Mansfield is a conservative evangelical who actually visited Trinity UCC and attended multiple services.

Critics of Obama and, certainly, of Jeremiah Wright wonder whether anything approximating the traditional Christian gospel is preached at Trinity Church. Wright's political pronouncements have been so radical and his demeanor in YouTube clips so angry that it is hard for some, particularly evangelicals, to accept that the church is anything more than a black Marxist recruitment center. Yet this is part of the sometimes confusing nature of both Wright and his church. Yes, Jesus Christ is offered to sinners as the Son of God who died and rose again. Yes, the church calls men to be saved from death and hell through confessing their wrongs and submitting their lives to a crucified Christ. Yes , this is the "born-again, new birth, blood-washed, Spirit-empowered Christianity" that evangelicals know.
As Jesus said. You will know them by their fruits. Their fruits are dividing and hatred of white people.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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No one is using Rev. Wright. We are defining what Rev. Wright is and what he teaches. Obama sat under this man and called him his spiritual leader. We are just stating the truth.
No your not. You are making ludicrous assertions and have no real understanding of what Rev. Wright preaches or believes.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Black Liberation Beliefs

God
Intricate and largely philosophical views of God are largely ignored in preference for the concerns of the oppressed. White Christian concepts taught to black persons are to be disregarded or ignored. The aspects of God's person, his power and authority, as well as "subtle indications of God's white maleness" are said not to relate to the black experience, to the extent of sometimes being antagonistic. While trinitarian theology is a big concern, Jesus is still considered to be God. The focus is given to God's actions, and his delivering of the oppressed because of his righteousness. Immanence is stressed over transcendence, and as a result God is seen to be "in flux" or "always changing".[1]
[edit]Christ
[edit]Revelation
Black theology is not bound to biblical liberalism, but is of a more pragmatic nature. Only the experience of black oppression is the authoritative standard.
[edit]Salvation
Salvation is a collective freedom from the oppression and pertains to blacks in this life. Proponents of black theology are concerned specifically with the political and theological aspects of salvation more than the spiritual. In other words, salvation is physical liberation from white oppression, or "The white enemy" (Cone) rather than freedom from the sinful nature and acts of each individual person. Presenting heaven as a reward for following Christ is seen as an attempt to dissuade blacks from the goal of real liberation of their whole persons.
"A white man who is in power cannot be a Christian, unless he gives up that power and give it to the black man" - James Cone on Black Theology
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:54 PM
 
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I am an old white woman who has listened to many of Rev. Wright's sermons. Where in your posted snippet did he say anything that was not true?
so if he's correct on all things (a bizarre concept if there ever was one), then all whites are liars. You are white,that means you are a liar.

So why should we listen to YOU?
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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It's enforced at a far greater rate for inner city minorities???? Yeah a big BS on that. Have you thought about the fact that MOST inner city minorities are either using or dealing drugs? Nah, it couldn't be that more are doing it, it HAS to be racism!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um, no, not even close to most inner city minorities are using or involving in dealing drugs. not even by a generous mile. Your post was so over the top, I hope it was sarcastic.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:00 PM
 
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Rev. Wright is a divider and a man who exploits his congregation with hate and division. This is not Christian.

Rev. Wright is a man who benefits from the hate and division from his congregation. They just built him a million dollar home in an all white neighborhood.

Rev. Wright uses God to get what HE wants. He wants to divide and get his congregation to praise him and make they feel as though they are enlightened to white hate through distortion.

Rev. Wright is a man who follows Black Liberation which says whites are the devil . Black Liberation believes not the gospel as taught by Christians. It is a different belief that Jesus is black and came to liberate the black race only. There is no salvation or coming to know Christ as a personal savior.There is no love as Jesus preached. It is a dividing hate and no good comes out of it.. Obama followed Black Liberation for 20 years. James Cone and Reverend Wright have written books on the subject.. this is a description of Black Liberation.

Black liberation theology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Thank you for your thoughtful and well informed post, you said it very well.

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Old 08-22-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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You think he enriched himself. Do you have any evidence that Rev. Wright was unusually compensated for a minister of a church the size of Trinity UCC? Again his compensation would have been known and voted on by the membership of the congregation. Until Rev. Wright retired he did live in the community where the church was located.

Yes I watched the video. I also watched a more complete clip from the source the reporter for the Blaze edited it from. A reporter that routinely does for Beck and the Blaze what Ed Schultz did to Rick Perry last week. At no point did Rev. Wright call all whites liars and insinuate that they were. Nor did he claim that "white people [are] causing all the grief in the world", as you just asserted.

Trinity UCC provided secular services in a secular manner for which government will provide subsidies. The government is not, nor have they subsidized their religious activities. When Trinity UCC runs those programs they have been and are subject to government review. This included an IRS review by the Bush administration during the 2008 election.

If you want government subsidies why don't you start your own programs to educate poor children in your neighborhood or provide housing for poor seniors. I would warn you that the government subsidies don't provide the complete cost of running such programs.
say what you want, but he retired in a 10,340-square-foot (961 m2) mansion valued at $1.6 million dollars. that isn't your average minister's retirement home.

he took over 15 million from the taxpayers and i STILL resent him getting our money-especially after watching that tape and more of his tapes, available on you tube.

i would NEVER attend a church where the minister behaves that badly. i don't know if that is the norm in the black community, but it is surprising to say the least. it is clearly racist propaganda, and i am surprised that you would defend that.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Florida
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No your not. You are making ludicrous assertions and have no real understanding of what Rev. Wright preaches or believes.
Rev. Wright tells his beliefs from the pulpit. It is not love.
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