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Old 08-22-2011, 04:21 AM
 
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Actually it does. this animal used the Christian faith to manupulate women and create a sense of trust.
You just stated very clearly why Christianity is not at fault. He used the Christian faith to manupulate women and create a sense of trust. He is a person. He did what he did. What the hell does that have to do with Christianity? If I use a Toyota to run someone over, what does that have to do with Toyota?
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:35 AM
 
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You just stated very clearly why Christianity is not at fault. He used the Christian faith to manupulate women and create a sense of trust. He is a person. He did what he did. What the hell does that have to do with Christianity? If I use a Toyota to run someone over, what does that have to do with Toyota?

Great response.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Should have raped them on the alter. That would have had some significance.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:52 AM
 
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You just stated very clearly why Christianity is not at fault. He used the Christian faith to manupulate women and create a sense of trust. He is a person. He did what he did. What the hell does that have to do with Christianity? If I use a Toyota to run someone over, what does that have to do with Toyota?
He was selling Christianity and people wanted to believe what he was selling. He would NOT have been in such a position to manipulate vulnerable women if he wasn't using Christianity. Those woman were in that church and he was their pastor based on their Christian faith.

Sorry but you can't separate the fact he used Chrisitianity from his actions. No more than you can separate the Catholic Church from fact that priest used their positions of authority and advisors within the church to molest young boys for decades.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:54 AM
 
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He was selling Christianity and people wanted to believe what he was selling. He would NOT have been in such a position to manipulate vunerable women if he wasn't using Christianity.

Sorry but you can't separate the fact he used Chrisitianity from his actions. No more than you can separate the Catholic Church from fact that priest used their positions of authority and advisors within the church to molest young boys for decades.
And I can use my Toyota to run people over. Toyotas are still great cars, nothing inherently evil about them.
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Old 08-22-2011, 06:58 AM
 
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Absolutely not, this is not about Christianity at all. This is about an individuals choices. If in fact this man is guilty of this, he CHOSE to do this.
And he chose to be a preacher of Christiantiy. And he chose to use his position as a preacher to lure and rape women.

Now what's your point?

I mean really?

You cannot separate the fact that this man used his position as preacher to create an environment of trust to take advantage of these women. These women TRUSTED HIM because CHRISTIANITY TEACHES THAT ONE SHOULD TRUST RESPECT AND OBEY PREACHERS OF THE FAITH.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:16 AM
 
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And he chose to be a preacher of Christiantiy. And he chose to use his position as a preacher to lure and rape women.

Now what's your point?

I mean really?

You cannot separate the fact that this man used his position as preacher to create an environment of trust to take advantage of these women. These women TRUSTED HIM because CHRISTIANITY TEACHES THAT ONE SHOULD TRUST RESPECT AND OBEY PREACHERS OF THE FAITH.
What's your point? You're blaming this on Christianity. It's stupid. I ask you again. If I use my Toyota to run people over, would you be on here mentioning Toyota? Or would you be talking about my actions as an individual?
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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He didn't use faith to manipulate the women. He picked them up on the street and used force. He used a location on church grounds but it wasn't under the guise of faith.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:19 AM
 
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Abusing his position of trust is a reflection on his character--nothing more, nothing less. Happens all the time and in countless variations.
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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Abusing his position of trust is a reflection on his character--nothing more, nothing less. Happens all the time and in countless variations.
Seattlerain's point on this thread was that this preacher's actions were NOT a reflection on the Christian faith. Just as when certain Muslims commit egregious acts, it is not a reflection on the Muslim faith. Numerous posters on this thread are clearly able to separate the horrible acts of a Christian preacher from his faith. They should also be able to separate the horrible acts of a Muslim as just that, the acts of an individual who happens to be Muslim, from the faith of Islam.

Both Muslims and Christians are followers of Abrahamic faiths. Both faiths trace themselves back to the beliefs and traditions of Abraham. It is terrible that within both religions there are those who are spiritual cousins of each other but who don't recognize the connection between their faiths and who engage in pointing fingers one at the other to ascribe evil to the other faith.
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