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Old 08-22-2011, 06:39 PM
 
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Conservatives, tell me why the Independent Payment Advisory Board is a bad idea.
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:32 PM
 
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The very liberal AMA is against it, that's one good reason - http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/399/hsr-payment-advisory-board.pdf (broken link)
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Old 08-22-2011, 07:34 PM
 
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The very liberal AMA is against it, that's one good reason - http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/399/hsr-payment-advisory-board.pdf (broken link)
so saving money and improving medicare efficiency is a liberal idea
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Old 08-22-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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I think the Independent Payment Advisory Board is a great idea, and I am conservative about many things. It gives the country a chance to stop doing all those expensive heart surgeries on old people who don't have much time to live anyway. There is a lot of room to cut costs: those expensive artificial joints for people who don't walk much, cheaper hospice care instead of expensive hospital care, get rid of those crazy costly neonatal intensive care suites, and put a stop to all that expensive innovation in treatment and medicine.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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I think the Independent Payment Advisory Board is a great idea, and I am conservative about many things. It gives the country a chance to stop doing all those expensive heart surgeries on old people who don't have much time to live anyway. There is a lot of room to cut costs: those expensive artificial joints for people who don't walk much, cheaper hospice care instead of expensive hospital care, get rid of those crazy costly neonatal intensive care suites, and put a stop to all that expensive innovation in treatment and medicine.
So you actually have no idea what the board is tasked with doing? That doesn't surprise me. Googling something takes up a whole 30 seconds to find out.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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So you actually have no idea what the board is tasked with doing? That doesn't surprise me. Googling something takes up a whole 30 seconds to find out.
And you have no idea of the biography and background of the administration "expert" on this system? No concept of the cost-benefit analysis much admired by the administration, as it is used in the UK? No understanding of the kinds of limitations that exist in virtually every other country with heavy government involvement in health care?

How much money is spent on neonatal intensive care in Sweden, or England?

I'm not saying the limitations and rationing schemes and usage boards are bad, I just think it is naive to close your eyes, click your heels together, and pretend that we are about to be transported to a magical place where we get more and better care for less money. Care will be rationed by politics instead of money, so one's value to one's fellow man will be removed from the equation.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:31 PM
 
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And you have no idea of the biography and background of the administration "expert" on this system? No concept of the cost-benefit analysis much admired by the administration, as it is used in the UK? No understanding of the kinds of limitations that exist in virtually every other country with heavy government involvement in health care?

How much money is spent on neonatal intensive care in Sweden, or England?

I'm not saying the limitations and rationing schemes and usage boards are bad, I just think it is naive to close your eyes, click your heels together, and pretend that we are about to be transported to a magical place where we get more and better care for less money. Care will be rationed by politics instead of money, so one's value to one's fellow man will be removed from the equation.
So improved inefficiencies and better practices are rationing and should be shunned?
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:36 PM
 
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The very liberal AMA is against it, that's one good reason - http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/399/hsr-payment-advisory-board.pdf (broken link)
liberal AMA. ROFLAO. While it is true that the AMA operates like a Union. It is liberal the same way the NFL player's union is liberal. Both unions only care about themselves and how much they make. They have no other political objective than to keep the money flowing to doctors and keeping the pay high. Other than that...not so much.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:38 PM
 
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liberal AMA. ROFLAO. While it is true that the AMA operates like a Union. It is liberal the same way the NFL player's union is liberal. Both unions only care about themselves and how much they make. They have no other political objective than to keep the money flowing to doctors and keeping the pay high. Other than that...not so much.
The AMA is now liberal because it supported health care reform. Never mind the fact that Obama's health care law wasn't liberal.
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Old 08-22-2011, 09:43 PM
 
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The AMA is now liberal because it supported health care reform. Never mind the fact that Obama's health care law wasn't liberal.
They vote for whatever benefits their members. The AMA liked the final bill, which should alert everyone that the final bill was not going to be good for consumers.

The AMA loves the idea that everyone has insurance...that means that they get paid. They do not like the idea of Govt. controlled insurance because that means that their rates are regulated and they probably will get paid less.
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