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Old 08-24-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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government shouldn't be involved in social issues anyway.


Defend our borders, protect our freedoms, and maintain infrastructure.


so sick of the nanny state.....
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:55 PM
 
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Oh please.... What's more important. People getting back to work and keeping their homes or gays that want to marry? Is the economy more important or is getting money from a death more important?

I know the answer that most selfish people will give. The money GIVEN to them from a death is more important than prosperity in the country.

the problem is people insert their ideology whenever it comes to bills related to putting people to work... i.e., the government shutdown and planned parenthood debacle back in April. what's planned parenthood have to do with keeping the gov. open? why even put that in there. or why advocate the denial of rights to others on the campaign trail, when all we really need is to get the economy churning. again ideology has nothing to do with it, but people insist on making abortion and gay rights sticking points.
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:58 PM
 
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(1) The federal government does not give the benefits, even though some states that allow gay marriage may have rectified that problem. Hence, there is no state one can move to which rectifies that problem, it can only be solved at the federal level.

(2) Gay are "happy" about that for no other reason than they understand how law works in a multi-tiered country that has laws at federal, state, and local levels; and they understand that there is no "one-law fix" means which can accomplish the task. Hence, getting what they want is one state is viewed as a step in the right direction for them, but it does not solve their problems in the entirety, as it does not address federal policies.
I never mentioned the federal government. Marriage is at the state level, what other things are they concerned about at the local levels concerning marriage? NOTHING! Like I said, getting people back to work and improving the economy are MUCH more important than making it so people can get free money from their loved ones. That's pretty simple. These things can be dealt with AFTER the MAJORITY of the people get attention paid to first.
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Old 08-24-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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the problem is people insert their ideology whenever it comes to bills related to putting people to work... i.e., the government shutdown and planned parenthood debacle back in April. what's planned parenthood have to do with keeping the gov. open? why even put that in there. or why advocate the denial of rights to others on the campaign trail, when all we really need is to get the economy churning. again ideology has nothing to do with it, but people insist on making abortion and gay rights sticking points.
I know, and that needs to stop. Those issues can be taken up after we get priorities fixed. Focusing on those things right now only takes time away from getting the real job done.
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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Agreed. I wish the debate moderators would stop focusing so many questions on the religious points.
The media loves this divisive crap. Hopefully Independent and swing voters are fed up.

And Boehner needs2 keep his rage off the screen...what a moron...they are all liars
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:03 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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There are many conservatives who believe in evolution, global warming and support civil unions for gays. (BTW....obama is against gay marriage!)

You will have a very difficult time finding a democrat who doesn't support abortion, climate change legislation and believe in evolution.

I think that conservative minded people are much more open minded than liberal/progressives.
I don't include believing religious dogma over science or denying climate change science as open minded. It's idiocy and/or pandering. Believing something that has proven to be inaccurate scientifically is just dumb. That's not the same as open minded.

As far as abortion, you can be open minded and against abortion.

I find just the opposite, however. Open minded people negotiate and sometimes change their position based on new facts or further consideration. I have changed my mind on a number of things lately.

What have you changed your mind on? What do you support that doesn't fall in line with the conservative/libertarian or tea party mantras?

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Old 08-24-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Pssst.... not really a libertarian. He is a conservi-tarian. He is sympathetic to that cause to a large degree, but there is still a substantial enough difference that one needs to not mix the two groups up.
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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I never mentioned the federal government. Marriage is at the state level, what other things are they concerned about at the local levels concerning marriage? NOTHING! Like I said, getting people back to work and improving the economy are MUCH more important than making it so people can get free money from their loved ones. That's pretty simple. These things can be dealt with AFTER the MAJORITY of the people get attention paid to first.
Why does the Federal government have so many things to do with marriage if it is only a state issue?

Plus states can't violate rights just because the majority dictates that they can.
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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If that is true, find me a Republican who supports my right as a gay man to get married in all 50 states, serve openly in the military and believes that evolution is fact.


Not trying to rattle your cage or anything, but I gotta ask...

The Founders believed our rights came from God.

When they made this assertion, they were clearly referring to the God of the Bible.

I also believe our rights come from God.

From whom does a right to marry one's own sex come?

BTW Evolution means different things to different people.

My revulsion to homosexuality is part of my behavioral immune system which evolved over countless generations to help me avoid pathogens for which I might be poorly equipped to defend myself.

Are you tolerant of this natural reflexive condition which I was born with and cannot change?
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Old 08-24-2011, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Old Town Alexandria
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When they made this assertion, they were clearly referring to the God of the Bible.

I also believe our rights come from God......


wrong. Rights in the U.S. are legislated through law. Law is written through legislation by people.
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