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Old 08-24-2011, 08:29 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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You would have a point if the disgust in question were directed at persons for being of a certain race. The disgust is directed at persons who engage in specific risky behaviors (gay sex).

http://lesleyduncan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/SchallerDuncan2007.doc (broken link)
Sorry, I don't download random .doc files.

You can try to justify your bigotry all you want, however, it is not justified. If you are disgusted by other peoples sexual behavior, I'd suggest you not think about it, or seek counseling. Preferably both.
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: San Antonio
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..................because fiscally irresponsible liberal behavior bankrupted the nation.
Sadly and I'm embarrassed to say it, but Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II have contributed more the national debt in my lifetime (born in 1970) than the democrats. Nixon was the last Republican to leave the White House with a national surplus. And this was in the middle of the cold war with Russia, easing relations with China, and the end of Vietnam. A politician engaging in dirty tricks was oddly scandalous in the early 1970's, now it's just par for the course. I think history may remember him a bit more kindly then we do...
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I am wondering: How come if I support a fiscally conservative candidate, it usually means I am supporting a candidate who does not support gay marriage, doesn't believe in evolution and/or global warming?

Why can't we have a fiscally conservative candidate who isn't using the fiscal conservatism as a proxy to attack boys kissing, public libraries and separation of church and state?

Please think about your answer... I am not interested in hearing talking points regurgitated.
Welcome to democracy, where coalitions are necessary to get anything accomplished. That means forming alliances with people who don't always share your values. Do you think your average unionized West Virginia coal miner is interested in neo-feminism or progressive politics when he pulls the lever for his blue candidate?

The only practical difference between the winner-take-all system we have in the U.S. versus a conventional European parliamentary system is that the coalitions take place before the election instead of after.
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:57 PM
 
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Who said anything about Jewish Law?
It sounds like you are saying it is ok to restrict the rights of gays since our founders say our rights come from God of the bible?
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Not trying to rattle your cage or anything, but I gotta ask...

The Founders believed our rights came from God.

When they made this assertion, they were clearly referring to the God of the Bible.

I also believe our rights come from God.

From whom does a right to marry one's own sex come?

BTW Evolution means different things to different people.

My revulsion to homosexuality is part of my behavioral immune system which evolved over countless generations to help me avoid pathogens for which I might be poorly equipped to defend myself.

Are you tolerant of this natural reflexive condition which I was born with and cannot change?
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Which founders would those be? You do know you have nearly nothing in common religiously with the founders right? Adams, Franklin, and Jefferson all rejected the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. Jefferson also rejected miracles, the resurrection, virgin birth, and the bulk of the Bible.

Christian Fundamentalism, which you seem to ascribe to based on my observations, did not exist when this country was founded.


No it doesn't. It has a very accepted definition in science.

As long as you stop trying to force your beliefs on other people, I don't give a darn. But seeing as you believe your beliefs trump other people's beliefs, clearly you do not deserve tolerance.


Adams and who?

Text Version of the Paris Peace Treaty


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

The Declaration of Independence - TEXT



"As long as you stop trying to force your beliefs on other people, I don't give a darn."

Hmm, you'll have to show me this force my beliefs on others trick.

To date, all I've done is present facts as best I can, but if you know a way to force others to believe what I believe, I'd love to hear about that.

Is it like indoctrinating school kids with homosexual propaganda?


"But seeing as you believe your beliefs trump other people's beliefs, clearly you do not deserve tolerance."

You keep making moral judgments about a defense to disease that humans are born with. Try not projecting so much hostility onto others who are simply living out their biological imperatives.

"Recently, there has emerged a body of research exploring the implications of the behavioral immune system for human emotion, cognition and behavior. For instance, there is evidence suggesting that the emotion of disgust evolved to serve as an affective signal of parasite infection (Curtis et al., 2004; Oaten et al., 2009). This line of evidence not only has implications for psychologists’ understanding and measurement of disgust, but also may help to explain why feelings of disgust influence moral judgments and interpersonal relations (e.g. Tybur et al., 2009)."

Parasites, minds and cultures - Vol. 22, Part 11 ( November 2009)
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Old 08-24-2011, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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I am wondering: How come if I support a fiscally conservative candidate, it usually means I am supporting a candidate who does not support gay marriage, doesn't believe in evolution and/or global warming?

Why can't we have a fiscally conservative candidate who isn't using the fiscal conservatism as a proxy to attack boys kissing, public libraries and separation of church and state?

Please think about your answer... I am not interested in hearing talking points regurgitated.
not to be close minded but, evolution is still a theory, global warming is a scam! no doubt! thousands of scientist say so! boys kissing, I have a problem with that and millions of others as well,its detrimental to society! and for our young children! and if people who advocate such abnormal human behavior can not understand how damaging homosexuality is,then they are the ones who are totally close minded!
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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not to be close minded but, evolution is still a theory, global warming is a scam! no doubt! thousands of scientist say so! boys kissing, I have a problem with that and millions of others as well,its detrimental to society! and for our young children! and if people who advocate such abnormal human behavior can not understand how damaging homosexuality is,then they are the ones who are totally close minded!


"Goodall (1986, p. 234) suggested that “avoidance of conspecifics showing abnormal behavior may be highly adaptive since it reduces the risk of spreading contagious disease.”

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...TMv7OOK78r17Zw
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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not to be close minded but, evolution is still a theory, global warming is a scam! no doubt! thousands of scientist say so! boys kissing, I have a problem with that and millions of others as well,its detrimental to society! and for our young children! and if people who advocate such abnormal human behavior can not understand how damaging homosexuality is,then they are the ones who are totally close minded!
Gravity (Or perhaps you know it as the theory of intelligent falling?) is still a theory too. What are your thoughts on that one?

Every reputable climatologist believes that climate change is happening. I'd love to see your list of thousands of scientists who claim its not. (How many of those scientists are independent of any right-wing funded "think" tank?)

Homosexual behavior is not abnormal. It is well within the continuum of normative sexual behavior. If you have a problem with boys kissing, it probably says more about your sexuality and security than theirs. I'd suggest analysis.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Fuquay-Varina
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I don't include believing religious dogma over science or denying climate change science as open minded. It's idiocy and/or pandering. Believing something that has proven to be inaccurate scientifically is just dumb. That's not the same as open minded.

As far as abortion, you can be open minded and against abortion.

I find just the opposite, however. Open minded people negotiate and sometimes change their position based on new facts or further consideration. I have changed my mind on a number of things lately.

What have you changed your mind on? What do you support that doesn't fall in line with the conservative/libertarian or tea party mantras?
I am with you on evolution and gay marriage, but MMGW sends my BS meter into the stratosphere. I LOVE science, but the MMGW movement acts as a religion unto itself, with the faithful servants burning non-believers at the proverbial stake. I put my money on the big ball of nuclear fire that heats our planet being the main cause of the fluctuations in temperatures.
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Old 08-24-2011, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Gravity (Or perhaps you know it as the theory of intelligent falling?) is still a theory too. What are your thoughts on that one?

Every reputable climatologist believes that climate change is happening. I'd love to see your list of thousands of scientists who claim its not. (How many of those scientists are independent of any right-wing funded "think" tank?)

Homosexual behavior is not abnormal. It is well within the continuum of normative sexual behavior. If you have a problem with boys kissing, it probably says more about your sexuality and security than theirs. I'd suggest analysis.
I don't think justifying one theory with another one is good science, there are many variables! there are many reputable climatologist who think other wise, so no!! not every reputable climatologist think the earth is warming. lets get that straight! now you calling me crazy. because I believe homosexuality is abnormal. how open minded can you be! I guess liberal are always with their minds open,they just like to close it when ever they want. its just like close minded people! no difference
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