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Old 08-27-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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In case you haven't noticed, the socialists have been waging a cold war against free-market capitalists for years. They ramped it up and became far less secretive from about 2006 when they owned congress. They went totally batsh1t once they got their puppet into the Oval orifice. Now that they are getting pushed back hard, they are grasping at straws and doing as much slash-n-burn as possible.
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Old 08-27-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Joe, I work in the same region as Gibson, and my last 2 employers are based here (corp and majority subsidiaries), and all are LARGE GOP donors, and none are getting harassed by the gov't. But all are co-operative in providing any requested info, which does not appear to be Gibson's corp MO, by any stretch.
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Old 08-27-2011, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Obviously, the Wall St. Journal don't know doodley-squat about making guitars. Indian rosewood was not the wood in question. Madagascar ebony was, and both companies have used it in the past. Some cub reporter didn't do his homework.

it is a possibility that Martin could have purchased wood from the same supplier Gibson used, and may find itself in similar trouble. As I mentioned, rare wood is like blood diamonds, and I tend to think ICE agents doesn't know what wood is what anyway. Any diamond is a diamond. Wood is all different. Some Madagascar looks, weighs, smells and tastes exactly like African ebony, and it would take a DNA test to say which is which.

As a matter of fact, both Henry Juszciewicz and Chris Martin are members of the US committee that oversees the use of CITES restricted wood. When I worked at Gibson in 2003, Henry got tired of all the hanky-panky surrounding the use of old Brazilian stump wood, reclaimed from trees that had been cut down decades earlier, and ordered all remaining stocks in Montana to be made into a final batch of guitars.

From then on, no more Braz was used as body wood. Gibson is currently using up their final stash of Braz fingerboard stock, and when that's gone, no more bridges or boards will be made from it either. The entire industry understands that using endangered wood is a loser's game. Since some the buyers won't give up their lust for some of it, the only thing left is to simply quit trying to satisfy that group.

I don't know any guitar company leader's political persuasion, and it doesn't matter a lick. All of the US makers large and small face exactly the same problems, and none of them is stupid enough to manufacture a guitar for just one group of political beliefs over another. Believe it or not, guitar making is not political.

I had to laugh at that post.
Indian rosewood is used by EVERYBODY. And everybody includes Swedish socialists, Chinese communists, Iranian jihadists, Argentine nazis, Chilean anarchists, and every other political persuasion in the world. There is no nation on the planet that does not make guitars. Only the number of guitars made and the quality of the guitars differs.

Bob Taylor used an old shipping pallet grabbed from a stack out in back of the factory to make a guitar, just to prove that it's the construction quality, not the wood, that makes a good guitar good. He and his best guys built it and finished it with the same care as their most expensive guitars.
I played that guitar, and it sounded great. Taylor had to plug all the nail holes with aluminum, and the wood was about as ugly as it gets, with deep stains and very irregular grain, but it had an excellent top. Needless to say, he got a lot of folks wanting one just like it.

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Old 08-27-2011, 04:09 PM
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How much of these exotic woods go to the guitar industry anyway as opposed to the fine furniture industry?
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Old 08-27-2011, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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How much of these exotic woods go to the guitar industry anyway as opposed to the fine furniture industry?
It's hard to say exactly, but furniture uses far more wood than guitars. Guitar bodies are typically less than 1/4" thick. Furniture is much thicker. Almost everybody owns some furniture, but not so with guitars.

Far more exotic wood is used for panelling than both industries combined. Much of the super expensive panelling lining the walls of Wall St. business suites and expensive homes is solid wood, not veneer. Even the veneer wood is selected for it's clarity and beauty, so the best looking wood is used.

Madagascar ebony is not a solid black color. Sometimes it's brown, sometimes black w/ brown streaks.

It is also important to distinguish Madagascar ebony for Macassar ebony. Macassar ebony is still legal to use, and looks vastly different. Macassar ebony comes from India, Indonesia and the Phillipines.

Only Madagascar Island has Madagascar ebony trees. I suspect the ICE agents may confuse one with the other.

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Old 08-27-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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If it is not enough that the gvt is harassing goat herders with new regulations, here we have them raiding Gibson guitar for the second time.


Gibson Guitar raided but lips zipped | The Tennessean | tennessean.com

The company only employes about 500 people but still those are jobs that are needed in this economy. Also from the story the factory is a tourist attraction. How long will it be before Gibson has enough and is made in China with the same wood that the feds are so bent about?
Here is an article that was posted on FB today by one of my FB friends who is a singer songwriter (and Gibson player).

Federal agents shut down Gibson guitars over Indian law, seize wood - Spokane Conservative | Examiner.com
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:51 PM
 
Location: SC
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I thought the CEO was right when towards the end of the 25 minute or so interrogation by the media. He asked them why they were ASKING THE FEDS about why they were being shut down.

Evidently it is a two year old Indian law that requires that fret boards made out of this Rosewood be shipped finished rather than partially finished. Before that it didn't make a difference. How was Gibson supposed to know the Indian Law had changed and why would the U.S. Government harass an American Company for importing a product from a vendor in India when it was wrong doing on the vendor's side of things?

It just goes to show you that FREEDOM of lack thereof is the issue. We need to show the Government they work for US NOT the other way around.

I think Ron Paul should make a statement about this. He's the only Federal Legislator who cares and has a clue about the Constitution.
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:53 PM
 
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Oh, yes, they are. They're quite heavy though that's why I own an SG.
The sound. Just blows me away everytime I hear one.
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:35 PM
 
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Green Police Mafia Raid Gibson Guitars - YouTube
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Old 08-27-2011, 08:38 PM
 
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Are they union employees?
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