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Old 08-27-2011, 06:48 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Um, no it wouldn't. If you actually digest your own link you would see why. Putting poor earners into home ownership was supposed to be good for the economy. Giving freebees to poor earners is supposed to be good for the economy. Clearly, the stimulus bills have proven that is not the case. Creating jobs, and insuring investments, is the only thing that will be good for the economy.
Giving the banksters more money and bailing out outsourcing corporations has done nothing for the economy. Wall Street is not the economy.

The banksters and others worked to make home prices outrageous and out of touch with incomes, and gladly gave out variable interest loans, etc., knowing full well they'd simply end up owning the homes. See Jefferson quote above.


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Are you sure you mean Iceland? Why Iceland is going broke. Seems to be more lending issues.
A story missing from our media: Iceland's on-going revolution

Iceland has succeeded in blocking a takeover by banksters.

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I have no issue with the banks suffering. I also have no issue with the folk taking the loans suffering as well. What you fail to address, as expected, is the American populace borrowing as usual. I'm on board with folk losing their homes, but they should not have been borrowing in the first place. Where, exactly, does your sense of personal responsibility fit here? Do you also support the case that it's both the banks and populace that have the welfare pulled from them? You will probably ignore that question
People get their homes taken, the banks end up getting bailed out, and own the homes too. I see no reason why owning a home should be a privilege subject to having enough scraps of paper. It was never the case in the past. Someone needed a home, they and their neighbors built it. They didn't slave away for 30 years for it. Things are rigged these days to enslave people, money being the chains. Capitalism for the people, socialism for the banks.


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The largest earners may pay a smaller percentage of total income, but they certainly pay more than you, me, and probably our entire tax lineage combined. That's not to say that I'm anti capital tax or anti progressive tax. I'm just honest about it. It's not your pittance or my pittance that is floating the economy. It's definitively not the "NO" pittance from the OP.
Hoarding money should be discouraged until such time as money is abolished entirely.

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How about a flat tax and just raise it on everyone across the board? Why should any of us get a free pass? What makes you (general you), as a poor earner, so special? We crap in a toilet provided to by the state via sewage and water works. We use the filtered water to cook provided to us by our government. We drive on roads, walk to stores, buy our food, use the internet, conduct every activity in life, from sex, to romance, to education, to entertainment that is wholly regulated by a government and financial global system that would be unachievable on our own. Ahh, but you don't want to pay that pittance of tax.
I place no value on this society and government, which is unsustainable and tyrannical anyways.

As the wealthy have gotten more benefit from this insanity, they should pay a far larger portion.
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Old 08-27-2011, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Reality
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I don't know about that. These pollsters usually don't come to MA. Polling 12 Obama voters from podunk USA is not a scientific inquiry. Frankly, just making that assertion deems the writer a dolt. That's not to say a lot of Obama voters aren't idiots themselves, but don't fall prey to the very thing you are charging.
I do, I've met enough Obama supporting idiots to know that a very large percentage of them think exactly like this piece of trash does.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I do, I've met enough Obama supporting idiots to know that a very large percentage of them think exactly like this piece of trash does.
Those 12 from the Dallas suburb knew nearly nothing about any of the 4 candidates outside what Dems and the media said about Palin. I loved hearing them say that fool things that Biden and Obama stood for had to be Palin or McCain things. The rest of these things really go to prove that those who voted for Obama weren't very well informed about the candidates.

It will be worse next fall after a year of hearing all that crap about Perry, or whoever gets the GOP nomination, being Christians or all the lies that will come out of the White House. it is the racism that will come out of there that I am not going to like.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:03 PM
 
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Giving the banksters more money and bailing out outsourcing corporations has done nothing for the economy. Wall Street is not the economy.

The banksters and others worked to make home prices outrageous and out of touch with incomes, and gladly gave out variable interest loans, etc., knowing full well they'd simply end up owning the homes. See Jefferson quote above.
Again, I take no issue with giving them one more dime. The government should not be backing any loans, be it home mortgages or student loans. Save small business loans. And no, the stupid is not getting a free pass from me. I don't care how stupid people are, especially in this day and age. They still comprise the American populace and they do not deserve a bailout any more than the banks do.

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People get their homes taken, the banks end up getting bailed out, and own the homes too.
So many folk stayed in their homes when they did not deserve it. It's all public record. Any one with half a brain can review the data. The home I bought was a short sale. The owners initially purchased it for $160k in the late 90s. By 2007 they owed $350k. What is that? They did use >160k for god knows what. They didn't make a payment for a 1 yr and 1/2. They didn't pay tax for 1 yr and 1/2. Ohhhhh, but it's the banks. They preyed on the unsuspecting, stupid, American populace. And whoooaaaa, the tax payer should foot the bill. Again, two sides of the same coin. Snake oil all around.

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I see no reason why owning a home should be a privilege subject to having enough scraps of paper. It was never the case in the past. Someone needed a home, they and their neighbors built it. They didn't slave away for 30 years for it. Things are rigged these days to enslave people, money being the chains. Capitalism for the people, socialism for the banks.
Really? Do you have any neighbors who want to build you a home? If so, have at it. I have no interest in providing a home for you or anyone you know. Sorry.

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I place no value on this society and government, which is unsustainable and tyrannical anyways.

As the wealthy have gotten more benefit from this insanity, they should pay a far larger portion.
I dare you not to use your toilet for 48 hours. Lets see how long you last without your blasted state. I give you two hours. Keep this thread in mind while you're taking that wiz.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Reality
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I dare you not to use your toilet for 48 hours. Lets see how long you last without your blasted state. I give you two hours. Keep this thread in mind while you're taking that wiz.
What does using a toilet have to do with needing the state? My toilets work great with no intervention of my state in any way... someone's been drinking apparently.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:11 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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So many folk stayed in their homes when they did not deserve it. It's all public record. Any one with half a brain can review the data. The home I bought was a short sale. The owners initially purchased it for $160k in the late 90s. By 2007 they owed $350k. What is that? They did use >160k for god knows what. They didn't make a payment for a 1 yr and 1/2. They didn't pay tax for 1 yr and 1/d. Ohhhhh, but it's the banks. They preyed on the unsuspecting, stupid, American populace. And whoooaaaa, the tax payer should foot the bill. Again, two sides of the same coin. Snake oil all around.
And what was the bank doing lending that money? If the banks didn't loan it out, it wouldn't have happened. Fairly simple. Yet, the banks have been rewarded for their stupidity.

But going beyond that, why should scraps of paper be required for a person to have a home of their own?

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Really? Do you have any neighbors who want to build you a home? If so, have at it. I have no interest in providing a home for you or anyone you know. Sorry.
That was a reference to the common practice of the past, and not that long ago. My grandfather was born at a time when that was still widely practiced in rural parts.

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I dare you not to use your toilet for 48 hours. Lets see how long you last without your blasted state. I give you two hours. Keep this thread in mind while you're taking that wiz.
I've spent months at a time living in the woods of the Northeast Kingdom, it'll take more than that to make me really want modern conveniences.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:14 PM
 
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What does using a toilet have to do with needing the state? My toilets work great with no intervention of my state in any way... someone's been drinking apparently.
The sewage...the toilet water, the stank coming out of your body, the collection of it, the filtering and cleaning of it...all of that nastiness is dealt with by your state/town. The fact that you are not aware of this complete huge, amazing, modern convenience is, again, mind numbing.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:15 PM
 
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The sewage...the toilet water, the stank coming out of your body, the collection of it, the filtering and cleaning of it...all of that nastiness is dealt with by your state/town. The fact that you are not aware of this complete huge, amazing, modern convenience is, again, mind numbing.
Ever hear of septic systems, artificial wetlands, composting systems, etc.?
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Reality
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The sewage...the toilet water, the stank coming out of your body, the collection of it, the filtering and cleaning of it...all of that nastiness is dealt with by your state/town. The fact that you are not aware of this complete huge, amazing, modern convenience is, again, mind numbing.
My home is on an aerobic septic system and I use well water like millions of people all over this country... speaking of mind numbing.
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Old 08-27-2011, 07:20 PM
 
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Ever hear of septic systems, artificial wetlands, composting systems, etc.?
The term "complete moran" comes to mind for some reason.
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