Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-29-2011, 09:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
78,863 posts, read 46,586,106 times
Reputation: 18521

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegas Joe View Post
I ask this question because I have constantly had to correct my own children on what they have been taught in school which is the same thing I was taught when I was in school and much of it was false or at least misleading. For example, we were and still are taught that it was Paul Revere that rode through the hamlets and villages of New England warning people that the British were coming when in fact the person that did that was a postal worker named Israel Bissell. Paul Revere actually did the opposite thing and rode TO the Brits to warn them that the Americans were armed.


That video I posted awhile back, had the lady that use to head some educational board, talking about dumbing down our kids and parents.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-29-2011, 09:20 PM
 
5,365 posts, read 6,332,324 times
Reputation: 3360
I took a class on American History in college and was flabbergasted at how different certain situations throughout our history are told to our children as opposed to how they really happened. I can somewhat understand it though. Its important to raise children to love their country and its history. The United States has a lot of dark things in its history that is best not told to our children in a classroom until college.

Just a few examples:

I didn't know of France's extensive aid and involvement in the American Revolutionary War until I took American History in college.

In middle school, we learned that Benjamin Franklin invented several theories regarding electricity. We didn't learn that he was also extremely xenophobic towards non-Anglo immigrants. If he hated Germans, imagine what he thinks of today's Mexican immigrants!

We learned in middle school that The South supported slavery. We didn't learn that they brought Bible versus to congress meetings supporting their claims though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-29-2011, 09:42 PM
 
5,346 posts, read 4,044,916 times
Reputation: 545
Something interesting I read...

The following letter by Baruch Levy to Karl Marx

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy, and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this "new world order" the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property, and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands"

from `La Revue de Paris', p. 574, June 1, 1928,


Rothschild and Other Red Things


The chief purpose of THE VOLTAIRE SOCIETY OF AMERICA INCORPORATED is to foster the spirit of the Enlightenment, tolerance and respect for the rights of the individual as exemplified by the life of Voltaire and as reflected in the beliefs of his contemporaries, the founders of the United States.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 06:52 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC USA
6,156 posts, read 7,215,840 times
Reputation: 2458
I think the whole human story is false and how we came to be as humans on this earth.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 07:11 AM
 
29,939 posts, read 39,445,160 times
Reputation: 4799
Quote:
Originally Posted by HC475 View Post
Something interesting I read...

The following letter by Baruch Levy to Karl Marx

"The Jewish people as a whole will be its own Messiah. It will attain world dominion by the dissolution of other races, by the abolition of frontiers, the annihilation of monarchy, and by the establishment of a world republic in which the Jews will everywhere exercise the privilege of citizenship. In this "new world order" the children of Israel will furnish all the leaders without encountering opposition. The Governments of the different peoples forming the world republic will fall without difficulty into the hands of the Jews. It will then be possible for the Jewish rulers to abolish private property, and everywhere to make use of the resources of the state. Thus will the promise of the Talmud be fulfilled, in which is said that when the Messianic time is come, the Jews will have all the property of the whole world in their hands"
I don't mean to be the spoiler but Marx died in 1883.

Last edited by BigJon3475; 08-30-2011 at 07:39 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
14,478 posts, read 11,270,938 times
Reputation: 8991
Quote:
Originally Posted by evilnewbie View Post
History books are written by the winners... winners with their own opinions... take history with a grain of salt...
In this case it was written by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow almost one hundred years after the actual incident and it is a poem called "The Midnight Ride Of Paul Revere".
Relax people this version is not in our history books, at least it wasn't in mine, it is just that we remember the poem more than we do the history we were taught.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
14,478 posts, read 11,270,938 times
Reputation: 8991
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmjv View Post
Was Revere supposed to have been a traitor or do the teabaggers want to make him out to be one? Why the hell would he go to the British to tell them we were armed?
Well, the colonists considered themselves British at the time so it's not so far off.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 07:58 AM
 
2,673 posts, read 3,246,296 times
Reputation: 1996
Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmjv View Post
Something I remember from grade school, 4th or 5th grade I think (we didn't start studying history and geography till 4th grade) in the part where it talked about the first Thanksgiving the pilgrims "dined" while the Indians "chomped"
Wow. That is so subtle, but it is a fine example of how subtly the historians can slant a presentation. How amazing that of all things that is what stuck in your mind! Right on! You must have been quite precocious to even pick up on the difference.

Thank goodness I grew up NDN, and grew up knowing that American history as portrayed in the history books was tainted, at best. I lucked out and had pretty good history teachers. I remember one from the 9th grade who simply blasted Andrew Jackson. I mean she blasted him and even cussed. (I lived in OK, so it was quite relative to many of us kids) Told us that she was not suppose to present it in that way but she was going to provide us the truth. She portrayed that bestid for what he was, America's Hitler. I always respected her for that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 08:00 AM
 
4,127 posts, read 5,064,962 times
Reputation: 1621
"Those who tell the stories rule society."

---Plato---
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-30-2011, 08:55 AM
 
13,053 posts, read 12,944,426 times
Reputation: 2618
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vegas Joe View Post
I ask this question because I have constantly had to correct my own children on what they have been taught in school which is the same thing I was taught when I was in school and much of it was false or at least misleading. For example, we were and still are taught that it was Paul Revere that rode through the hamlets and villages of New England warning people that the British were coming when in fact the person that did that was a postal worker named Israel Bissell. Paul Revere actually did the opposite thing and rode TO the Brits to warn them that the Americans were armed.

Most? /shrug

I wouldn't make such a generalized claim.

I however have seen such in my education (I was educated in a very liberal school) and have caught many professors embellishing certain views and relying on sources that were extremely weak in their support.

If you are studying anything from the past, you have to dig, then dig some more, and when you are done, go back and dig and look under that. It is a nightmare at times trying to trace some historical references as they at times are massive circular citations with no original sourcing to be found as well summaries of intent based on selective citation of support.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:06 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top