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Old 08-31-2011, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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NO you can't. You have to use an acredited Doctor used by your Insurance Company and on their "panel" of Doctors. If you use an outside Doctor it costs you much more. You can pick any Doctor (GP) you want if you pay cash and if their surgery isn't full. With a UHC you can use any local Doctor as your G.P. and wherever you are in that Nation you can go see a Doctor without charge. NOT here... Once out of your State you are screwed.

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I can open up the yellow pages and go to ANY doctor I want..I dont need insurance

the doctor provides a service..I pay for the service rendered


the government..you have to use their doctors (if they cover the issue) and you get crappy care...

have you seen the dirty health department clinics...no freaking way.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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My Father was admitted into a local Hospital in London UK. He had a Cardiac Arrest at 3am and was deffibed 5 times. He was dead 10 minutes and the Doctors did not give up even though my Father was 88. They got him back and took him to a Critical care ward where specialised cardiac nurses were with him 24/7. We were told by the Doctors that because he had been dead for 10 mins they were not sure how much damage was done to his heart etc but they would NOT give up. The medical staff did everything humanly possible to help Dad. To cut a long story short... My father was seen by a top Cardiac surgeon and had major heart surgery.... Double bypass, mytral valve replacement and a pacemaker fitted. My Father came out of Hospital and even passed his London Taxi driver heart medical, passed it and is the Oldest Taxi Driver in London. He will celebrate his 90th Birthday next Month and is now in good health and has regular tests and constant monitoring by the NHS.
iF THIS IS "Crappy Care" then you are not looking at facts but just talking RUBBISH.
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and that is where????? the UK...not the USA where we have garbage departments like the FDA

I have dealt with the government care for a long time (the VA).. I can tell you FIRST HAND it is garbage
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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I can quote many many many examples of amazing health care stories under the NHS but hey i could be like you and just "whinge" and be afraid of good change.
Who cares? I can quote many occurences of both public record and personal experience with my friends in Canada who have dealt with horrible problems with the systems of such nature.

So, again, it does not invalidate or validate a claim. Without proper support, all that is happening is opinoins being tossed around back and forth.



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My Wife is American.... I am now living and working in America. America is now my home and i have exactly the same rights to make comments or say what is right or wrong with America on this board or anywhere i please. On the other hand you are making statements about something you have absolutely NO idea about and expecting us to agree with your "fantasies"Maybe if you did spend a little time outside the USA you might become better informed but at the moment all you can do is quote missinformation and false sound bites.... Not smart is it? When you have any experience of how other systems work... then you might have something to say... but you don't...simple.
So you have no respect for individual liberty or American values. Now you may have come from a country that sees rights as subject to government control and dictation, but this is not a country founded on such. I know I do not want this country to be like Britain or any other country of such nature. I want it to be what it was, a country that supports individual liberties above self interested causes that attempt to mandate its "good intentions" upon the minority using majority oppression as justification.

I never questioned your "right" to post on this board. Your rights are that to which the private board allows, and as long as they allow it, then your right is the same as mine, which is subject to their approval.

What I did question was your purpose of doing so under the impression I had of your occurrence. That is, when I thought you were not a citizen, it made no sense for you to be here espousing policies of other countries.

So, you are a citizen of the US, so... fine, and you are free to speak your mind in the context of this private boards conditions. That said, you don't seem to respect the culture of this country as you would intend to change it to be like another. My only response to that is, why not just go live where your position is attended to in a culture that supports your infringement of liberties to serve its causes?

As for my traveling abroad, I have been to china, the congo, afganistan, UAE, and many other countries, often to which are extremely volatile in my line of work. Think before you go off accusing others about their worldly experience. How many countries have you been to?


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Stop sounding like a little girlie who is afraid her friend will steal her "Dollie".
This is now as much MY Country as yours yet isn't it wierd how a Brit has far more compassion for American Citizens than You. No one is asking for America to become the UK and in fact i want America to once again be the envy of the World but with attitudes like yours... America will be stagnant for many years to come. The world used to look to America for it's greates ideas... now the World watches as America gets downgraded and becomes a shadow of its former self..... Not because everyday working Americans have changed but the greed and corruption at the top and the big corporations dictating to America are like a cancer killing the great Country of the USA.
Think before you post would be a great idea...... Dude!
This country was great because it was founded on the principals of individual liberty, not because it began to dictate to the masses majority conformity. It was NEVER as you believed it to be, as you have no clue what it means to be free. You serve "isms" as your form of government and are used to a life of servitude. America is about freedom, not about your ideology.

And calling me girlie and dude? What are you a teenager? Stop acting like a child.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:44 AM
 
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Good point, but... in a private system, depending on the coverage you choose, you can always dismiss that doctor and go to another. My grandmother got cancer, she went to one doctor and because of her age, the idiot simply started prepping her for dying (setting up a plan of care to comfort her as she died).

They told the doctor to take a hike and sought another professional who evaluated, put her on a special new treatment and the cancer is gone. If he had said the same, she would have continued on looking for more opinions until she was satisfied.

In a government controlled and limited system, that sort of open ablity is non-existent. Depending on the plan, a private system allows for far more flexibility than that of a government one.
exactly..with the government being the PAYER, you are STUCK with the government standard....crap
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:50 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Good point, but... in a private system, depending on the coverage you choose, you can always dismiss that doctor and go to another. My grandmother got cancer, she went to one doctor and because of her age, the idiot simply started prepping her for dying (setting up a plan of care to comfort her as she died).
With a UHC you can get second or even third opinions and choose the Consultant you want to be reffered to with absolutely no problems, in fact, if you are in a Hospital bed you will be taken by ambulance to the Hospital that the new Consultant practices. If the Consultant is local he will come to the Hospital you are in and examine you there.

They told the doctor to take a hike and sought another professional who evaluated, put her on a special new treatment and the cancer is gone. If he had said the same, she would have continued on looking for more opinions until she was satisfied.
I had a bad skin outbreak of rashes. I went to two Doctors here and payed cash. The first Doctor couldn't figure out what the rashes were and the second missdiagnosed me and gave me a prescription of a small tube of cream, costing over $100 and even the paharmacis couldn't believe what he had prescribed. I went to a Doctor i knew and he was spot on and gave me the right cream $30.00 and the rash went. The last Doctor told me it was lucky the Pharmasist noticed or the original cream could have made ir worse.Good Huh?

In a government controlled and limited system, that sort of open ablity is non-existent. Depending on the plan, a private system allows for far more flexibility than that of a government one.
ABSOLUTE RUBBISH...... In a Govt run scheme you can be seen by any Consultant of your choice and is far far more flexible than using a Insurance based health system.
My Daughter was recently diagnosed with a Dysplagic Hip.... I phoned a frien in the UK who is a TOP Orthopaedic Consultant and he suggested a Consultant who is a specialist in young people with bone problems. My daughter saw him and he operated on her. She has had to have a complete hip replacement at 20. She now attends his clinics and goes locally for physio etc etc. If we had been unhappy with him or even now want a different Doctor to examine her hip.... We Can and no matter where my daughter is in the UK she can get her hip checked or go see a Doctor for anything..... Flexible... not like here where once you leave a State you are screwed.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:51 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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exactly..with the government being the PAYER, you are STUCK with the government standard....crap
Ha Ha Ha Ha...... you really don't know what you are talking about......
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:55 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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Congratulations to your father and your family! The oldest taxi driver in London is something I'm sure he is very proud of. I bet he knows that city inside and out.
THX jm.
The BBC in London wanted him to come onto a show and talk about his experiences as the oldest "cabbie" in London but my Dad does not like talking about himself so he said no...... he really is a amazing Man.
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Old 08-31-2011, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ha Ha Ha Ha...... you really don't know what you are talking about......
I dont???

with the government (just like private INSURANCE) you are at the MERCY of the PAYER....they tell you what, when, where, how, and IF you are ALLOWED

even in the UK

Patients denied treatment as NHS makes cutbacks, Telegraph can disclose
Hundreds of thousands of NHS patients are being denied routine procedures as dozens of trusts cut back on surgery, scans and other treatments in order to save money, a Daily Telegraph investigation has found.

Trusts around the country are refusing to pay for operations ranging from hip replacements, to cataract removal and wisdom tooth extraction.

The health service is also tightening restrictions that prevent patients undergoing procedures for lifestyle reasons.

Patients denied treatment as NHS makes cutbacks, Telegraph can disclose - Telegraph



with INSURANCE (private OR GOVERNMENT) you are at the MERCY OF THE PAYER...that is FACT
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:32 AM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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false

I can open up the yellow pages and go to ANY doctor I want..I dont need insurance

the doctor provides a service..I pay for the service rendered
Did you NOT read my post?????????????
I said in my post that you CAN see any Doctor if you are prepared to pay cash........


the government..you have to use their doctors (if they cover the issue) and you get crappy care...
WTF........ Virtually all the Doctors in the UK are payed by the Govt. and work in the NHS..... there are NOT Doctors in the NHS, WHO DON'T DEAL WITH any ASPECT of health care. Consultants in the UK can also work in the private sector but most choose not to. Many private health companies in the UK use the NHS equipment in NHS Hospitals to do their tests which saves them a lot of money so they can keep premiums down.
have you seen the dirty health department clinics...no freaking way.
Yes....... Have you? The hygene factor, as in ALL Countries can be a factor in Hospitla and if you have ever been in a UK clinic or Hospital you will see them being cleaned all the time. Unfortunately some slip under the radar but if a complaint is made, they clean up their act immediately.
Maybe i am asking you the wrong questions.... Answer me this......
Where do you get your information regarding Govt funded healthcare?????
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Old 08-31-2011, 11:43 AM
 
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ABSOLUTE RUBBISH...... In a Govt run scheme you can be seen by any Consultant of your choice and is far far more flexible than using a Insurance based health system.
My Daughter was recently diagnosed with a Dysplagic Hip.... I phoned a frien in the UK who is a TOP Orthopaedic Consultant and he suggested a Consultant who is a specialist in young people with bone problems. My daughter saw him and he operated on her. She has had to have a complete hip replacement at 20. She now attends his clinics and goes locally for physio etc etc. If we had been unhappy with him or even now want a different Doctor to examine her hip.... We Can and no matter where my daughter is in the UK she can get her hip checked or go see a Doctor for anything..... Flexible... not like here where once you leave a State you are screwed.
And I have many examples that are counter to your claim about such insurance. You are right about cross state insurance, but... well... again... this is government intrusion, so that isn't really much of an argument.

Besides, I don't want your system. I choose not to be a part of it. I choose not to pay it and seek my own private insurance. All is good, but wait... I don't get that choice. Sorry, but your system urinates on individual liberty and its oppressive to the core. You don't respect individual liberty, so I could give a flying flip about your opinion on what is best. I know what is best for me, not you and I refuse your system. If you want to force me into this system, then have the integrity to come to my door and attempt to do so rather than hiding behind your government thug to steal for you.

Oh, and learn how to use bold for emphasis, making everything bold is just stupid.
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