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Answer me this......
Where do you get your information regarding Govt funded healthcare?????
from REAL LIFE
real life..I was injured in Iraq...the FDA said we can only do FUSION to backs..meanwhile disc REPLACEMENT has been done in europe for the last 25 years....I flew to europe and had the proceedure done..and bluecross covered it....the problem I talk about is OUR GOVERNMENT
real life..the GOVERNMENT(or a private insurance company) says NO to a proceedure because they DONT COVER it, or it is deemed to EXPENSIVE, or you have surpased the 'life cost'......
real life ...doctors and providers are turning medicare/medicaid away because IT DOES NOT PAY ENOUGH or very fast
OUR (the USa, not anywhere else) GOVERNMENT is the problem
you CAN NOT EQUATE UHC from other countries to ours..it just cant be equated.....our country has a bigger population than the ENTIRE european union...and we are so much bigger in land mass too (ie one of the larger EU countries --france-- is only the size of texas
hc in france,...going broke
hc in uk...major cutbacks, because of funding
hc in canada...going partially PRIVATE
hc in germany...funding issues
A) Every American citizen is Entitled to the Best Healthcare they can Afford
or
B) For American citizens, the quality of health care should not be predicated on their ability to pay. In other words, poor citizens deserve the same quality of health care as wealthy citizens.
I'm somewhere in between both answers, but will lean a bit towards B.
But how does one address the millions of Americans who are careless about preventative health care? People do things that are detrimental to their health and end up paying the price down the road.
real life..I was injured in Iraq...the FDA said we can only do FUSION to backs..meanwhile disc REPLACEMENT has been done in europe for the last 25 years....I flew to europe and had the proceedure done..and bluecross covered it....the problem I talk about is OUR GOVERNMENT
real life..the GOVERNMENT(or a private insurance company) says NO to a proceedure because they DONT COVER it, or it is deemed to EXPENSIVE, or you have surpased the 'life cost'......
real life ...doctors and providers are turning medicare/medicaid away because IT DOES NOT PAY ENOUGH or very fast
OUR (the USa, not anywhere else) GOVERNMENT is the problem
you CAN NOT EQUATE UHC from other countries to ours..it just cant be equated.....our country has a bigger population than the ENTIRE european union...and we are so much bigger in land mass too (ie one of the larger EU countries --france-- is only the size of texas
hc in france,...going broke
hc in uk...major cutbacks, because of funding
hc in canada...going partially PRIVATE
hc in germany...funding issues
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workingclasshero you know you could add
USA..going broke
with our current system. I'm sure you also realize all nations of Europe's healhcare delivery systems are very different from each other. A matter of fact the UKs system is very much more socialistic than all the others if I'm not mistaking. Germany's has had a hybrid system for well over 100 years. My belief is the US is now at a crossroads these nations have found themselves in long before us.
I'm somewhere in between both answers, but will lean a bit towards B.
But how does one address the millions of Americans who are careless about preventative health care? People do things that are detrimental to their health and end up paying the price down the road.
There is only one way to address it, you dictate to them how they should eat, drink, exercise, and live.
with the government (just like private INSURANCE) you are at the MERCY of the PAYER....they tell you what, when, where, how, and IF you are ALLOWED
even in the UK
Why do you insist on using the Insurance based model when talking about a Govt funded health care........ Both are completely different. A insurance Company will look at your claim and decide whether they will pay or allow your treatment.... They have even admitted that they will go out of their way to find a reason to deny you. Govt. funded UHC...... The Govt, funds the system but it is run on a local level by health professionals who make the everyday decissions. The Doctor and health team decide your treatments etc and the ONLY time the Govt gets involved in anyway is through N.I.C.E. Who will not allow a expensive treatment yo be used if a cheaper one is better or gets the same results. Good Economics! Many Many times in the UK you can go to see a Doctor privately and the Doctor will openly suggest to you that you come see him at his NHS clinic and then NO need to pay cash for the same treatment. I am Diabetic and have NEVER been refused any treatments and indeed ALL of my Insulin, testing kits etc etc and ANY drugs i get are FREE. Denial of treatment is a American problem and far outways any denias in a UHC.
Patients denied treatment as NHS makes cutbacks, Telegraph can disclose
Hundreds of thousands of NHS patients are being denied routine procedures as dozens of trusts cut back on surgery, scans and other treatments in order to save money, a Daily Telegraph investigation has found. The Daily Telegraph has always had a "witch hunt" with the NHS... In fact we treat their reports as a bit of a joke. Because of the MILLIONS of people using the NHS it is under strain but Brits are very happy with it and these stories by a few newspapers are like many newspapers..."bad news" seels papers. I, my family and friends all use the NHS and would not even consider a private insurance run health system. My wife came to the UK from America with the same ideas that you have. She insisted on Private health care and she got a Gold plated health cover for approx $80.00 per month...... She canceled it after having realised she gets the same treatments under the NHS.
Trusts around the country are refusing to pay for operations ranging from hip replacements, to cataract removal and wisdom tooth extraction.
RUBBISH!
My wife came to the UK with two cataracts caused by sunlight exposure and gall bladder problem. She couldn't afford to get them done in the USA but had them treated under the NHS with absolutely NO problems.... ALL Health systems must keep their books balanced but under a UHC it is normally by using cheaper drugs (as long as they are as good as the more expensive ones) Stopping multi testing etc. My Dughter had 2 Wisdom teeth removed under the NHS just before i came here as private dentists suggested the Hospital would be the safest place for her to have them done. Dentists in the UK only take a certain amount of NHS patients and are private... So that story about NHS denying Wisdom teeth removal is false as normally it is not done by the NHS unless it looks probamatic. Your "FACTS" FALL APART HERE.
The health service is also tightening restrictions that prevent patients undergoing procedures for lifestyle reasons.
The left only want the freedom of where to stick your penis and how many babies you can kill.
Having used both the American Insurance based health System and the UK Govt funded system i can tell you from first hand experience that the health care in the USA is FAR more restrictive than the Govt funded System..... That is a fact and it comes from someone who has used both systems NOT from someone who reads it in a paper or gets it from a right wing media source... but hey i suppose "Ignorance is Bliss" for you......
With a UHC your treatments are decided by your Doctor NOT the Govt.
Govt. funded UHC...... The Govt, funds the system but it is run on a local level by health professionals who make the everyday decissions. The Doctor and health team decide your treatments etc and the ONLY time the Govt gets involved in anyway is through N.I.C.E. Who will not allow a expensive treatment yo be used if a cheaper one is better or gets the same results. Good Economics!
oh bull
here is how the government works
patient needs a MRI...the government (va) NOPE use an xray...first time
2. xray doesnt show much..patient needs an MRI...the governtment (va) use the xray...you have DDD
3. patient doc I am in pain,,are you sure its DDD..doc the xray shows some funny spaces, could be DDD or could be spomething else...let's ask for a MRI..the government nope lets xray (each xray is RADIATING the person btw)...again funny spacing...must be DDD
4. same
5. same
6. same
7. same
8 same
8 times with the VA...its DDD(degrnerative disc desease)
got to the doctor and PAY FOR THE MRI out of pocket...and we find out its... one CRUSHED disc, and 2 ruptured discs....now choices...the government FUSION and still have pain, andd limited movement...or non-government and about to get a multi level disc replacement (L5/s1 and L5/L4)
that is reaking governmnet care...crappy care....I know because the patient at the VA was ME
and that is where????? the UK...not the USA where we have garbage departments like the FDA
I have dealt with the government care for a long time (the VA).. I can tell you FIRST HAND it is garbage
Unfortunately because of the structure of the health system in the USA, the Govt funded systems ( medicare/aid, VA) are band aids TRYING to heal a huge trauma. If a UHC was in place here there would be NO need for mediacre/aid or VA....Everyone would get good treatment from the UHC.
A) Every American citizen is Entitled to the Best Healthcare they can Afford
or
B) For American citizens, the quality of health care should not be predicated on their ability to pay. In other words, poor citizens deserve the same quality of health care as wealthy citizens.
It's called "Natural Selection", you got the money, you live. Simple.
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