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Originally Posted by jerryzinc
those who dont believe in global warming utilize when they are forced to flee and will they still acknowledge it at that point or blame it on "cycles"?
I'll bring my hot dogs and marshmallows.
The sky is falling! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!!!!
It's a politically generated crisis to justify the expansion of federal powers.
It never ceases to amaze me that those who oppose Climate Change never stop to consider their objective. With an axial tilt of 23° and an orbital eccentricity between 0.005 and 0.058, the Earth's climate is always changing. Only a complete idiot would argue for a static climate.
It's man-made climate change, which is happening so rapidly, that is the problem.
If you read IPCC AR4, you'll see that the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit and its changing tilt are taken into account.
I haven't heard of the 220 million year cycle that G'N'T mentions. However, as until now he has given inadequate sources, it's difficult to evaluate his claim. Maybe he can provide some evidence?
Of course, the relevence of this 220 million year cycle to the last 100 years or so is difficult to see. Perhaps G'N'T could explain his reasoning?
Note: there was talk of an approx 135 million year cycle a few years ago, based on an analysis of about 50 meteorites.
I haven't heard of the 220 million year cycle that G'N'T mentions. However, as until now he has given inadequate sources, it's difficult to evaluate his claim. Maybe he can provide some evidence?
Of course, the relevence of this 220 million year cycle to the last 100 years or so is difficult to see. Perhaps G'N'T could explain his reasoning?
Note: there was talk of an approx 135 million year cycle a few years ago, based on an analysis of about 50 meteorites.
The 220 million year "cycle" that was being referred to was the solar system's rotation around the galaxy. It takes approximately 220 million years for our solar system to make a complete orbit around the Milky Way, and when it does so it passes through all four spiral arms that contain lots of dust and gas.
The point he was trying to make was that there are so many unknowns with regard to climate that it makes predicting future climate change mere speculation, not science.
How do you explain how the earth warmed up in the past before we had all of this technology and "greenhouse gases"? There have also been times in the past when the earth was much warmer than it is today... the earth is still here...
Exactly! It's been warming and cooling since the Earth has been in existence and it will be warming and cooling until it is no longer in existence.
Exactly! It's been warming and cooling since the Earth has been in existence and it will be warming and cooling until it is no longer in existence.
Actually, the internal temperature has been gradually cooling for the last 3.8 billion years. The surface temperature, however, has varied depending on the location of the continents. For example, the planet's surface temperature was considerably warmer before the Indian continent collided with the Asian continent and created the Himalayan mountain range about 40 million years ago.
During the age of dinosaurs the planet was much hotter than it is today, and CO2 levels were much higher. The North American Great Plains did not exist, instead it was a large shallow sea that covered everything from New Mexico north into Canada. Western Texas and Arizona were not the deserts they are today, they were covered with large deciduous forests and lots of vegetation. North America then looked nothing like it does today. There was also no "Atlantic Conveyer" bringing warm water from the Gulf of Mexico north into Europe because the Atlantic was considerably smaller then than it is today, and the waters were already warm. There were also no polar ice caps. Europe was also nothing more than a bunch of small islands.
Oh yes, everyone is onboard the global warming train except the US... Countries like CHina, Venezuela, Brazil, the entire middle east, virtually all of south america, North Korea, the majority of southeast asia, have all rejected global warming. Granted, it is a mindset of most of these countries that they really don't give a damn about the environment, but, until such time as you can get them on board there is no point in addressing it at all... Futhermore the holes that have been blown in the global warming research that was done are huge, and reak of fraud and deception. There is not a single study that wasn't corrupted. That said, until there is significant scientific data that supports the global warming theory that hasn't been compromised then I will not be supporting it. The world has had heating and cooling changes since it began and it was only in the 1970's when global cooling was the talking point of the day. Show me the unquestionable proof.
It's man-made climate change, which is happening so rapidly, that is the problem.
If you want a stable climate then it needs to be hot enough to melt all the ice. Take a look at the average temps over the last 65 million years. Hotter is better from a rate of change of climate point of view. Put the temp back where they were 1.4 million years ago and you get a stable climate.
Oh yes, everyone is onboard the global warming train except the US... Countries like CHina, Venezuela, Brazil, the entire middle east, virtually all of south america, North Korea, the majority of southeast asia, have all rejected global warming. Granted, it is a mindset of most of these countries that they really don't give a damn about the environment, but, until such time as you can get them on board there is no point in addressing it at all... Futhermore the holes that have been blown in the global warming research that was done are huge, and reak of fraud and deception. There is not a single study that wasn't corrupted. That said, until there is significant scientific data that supports the global warming theory that hasn't been compromised then I will not be supporting it. The world has had heating and cooling changes since it began and it was only in the 1970's when global cooling was the talking point of the day. Show me the unquestionable proof.
Oh puhlease.
Given the data points show the +/-95% confidence error bars, to save space, I'm just going to talk about the position of the central short bar.
YAWN... The central bar is overall mean, what I'm discussing is multiple data points and comparing them too the mean. Pelase try and keep up.
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In the current version of reality that most of us inhabit, your claim has been proved wrong by a plot that shows different rates of rise and decline.
20 different data points with a maximum divergence of 1mm+/- compared to the overall mean isn't predictable? ROFL.
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I haven't heard of the 220 million year cycle that G'N'T mentions. However, as until now he has given inadequate sources, it's difficult to evaluate his claim. Maybe he can provide some evidence?
Of course, the relevence of this 220 million year cycle to the last 100 years or so is difficult to see. Perhaps G'N'T could explain his reasoning?
Note: there was talk of an approx 135 million year cycle a few years ago, based on an analysis of about 50 meteorites.
Nah.
There is only one side to the story being presented and that is by the politically correct lab-coats.
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