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Old 09-01-2011, 10:42 PM
 
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Not playing your game, sorry.
Haha, its a "game" now? I'll just assume that means you have no facts or information to back up the claims and accusations you made in post #93. Have a good evening.
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Anderson Cooper learns during this interview that Ron Paul knows more about FEMA than he does. Anderson Cooper tries to tell Ron Paul that FEMA was responsible for building a wall in Galveston when Ron Paul tries to tell him FEMA didn't exist until 1979 after the wall was built.


CNN's Anderson Cooper has Ron Paul on Aug. 30, 2011 - YouTube

This LA time article mentions the CNN Anderson Cooper interview with Ron Paul and the example that Ron Paul gave showing how incompetent Fema is about the time FEMA attempted to deliver ice to New Orleans during Katrina that ended up in Nebraska and never came anywhere NEAR New Orleans!

Ron Paul's federal disaster relief plan: Kill FEMA - latimes.com
Another great post emily, they are always trying to trip up Ron Paul, and he whips their butt every time. Maybe that's why they just choose to ignore him this go round, he rises above politics and sticks to the facts. They don't like it when the facts interfere with their good intentions.
I have heard that the floods have gotten worse with all the flood walls and barriers the gov't has devised. The gov't can't prevent disasters, and their not much good at managing them after the fact either. Even if they were, the cost is too high, which is freedom of movement, and our liberties. No one will force me off of my property, ever!
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Old 09-01-2011, 10:53 PM
 
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The FEMA director said there is no more money. If there is no money, we don't need FEMA.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:02 PM
 
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How do you know that's who "worked it out"? How do you know that FEMA didn't send in the Ill and NH National Guards? What would happen if no one "volunteered" to help them?

As a public health nurse, I have had some training in emergency preparedness. It always is emphasized that sometimes the helpers may also be the injured, sick, hungry, etc in a natural disaster or a pandemic. Maybe it's not a good use of the Vermont folks' time and what personnel are actually able to show up for work to do spend hours on the phone calling for help.
I suggested that states SHOULD be able to work it out, right now FEMA handles it by force so we all know who worked it out this time. This isn't a case of someone volunteering to help, this is where neighboring states contact each other to support each other in a time of emergency. The overwhelming majority of the states of Vermont and Connecticut weren't destroyed by hurricane Irene, most of the people in both of those states weren't affected at all other than some hard rain for a couple hours so stop trying to make it seem like every person in Vermont drowned when Irene made landfall. You've posted nothing whatsoever that explains the need for FEMA, just emotional attacks on people who are trying to explain their ideas and reasoning behind them.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:03 PM
 
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I suggested that states SHOULD be able to work it out, right now FEMA handles it by force so we all know who worked it out this time. This isn't a case of someone volunteering to help, this is where neighboring states contact each other to support each other in a time of emergency. The overwhelming majority of the states of Vermont and Connecticut weren't destroyed by hurricane Irene, most of the people in both of those states weren't affected at all other than some hard rain for a couple hours so stop trying to make it seem like every person in Vermont drowned when Irene made landfall. You've posted nothing whatsoever that explains the need for FEMA, just emotional attacks on people who are trying to explain their ideas and reasoning behind them.
Well said
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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Does anyone question the rules of FEMA?
Hurricane Charley destroyed many mobile homes in Punta Gorda FL in 2005
Just about all the homes were originally installed with the floors at ground level. Easy entry/exit for senior citizens.
FEMA said any new home would have to be installed 4 ft above grade. Which meant that really old people would now have to climb stairs.
But wait, there's more. Being that new units were 4 ft higher, wheel chair residents would have problems. FEMA solution- a ramp. But the ramp has to be built at only 3 degrees rise. So ramps for wheel chair people raps around the mobile home. The ramps were very expensive to build, built to a new hurricane code that looks like you can drive a truck on it.
Rules implemented by bureaucrats in Washington that know nothing about the real world.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:18 PM
 
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Would you look at that, Connecticut has it's very own Office of Emergency Management just like Vermont.

Department of Emergency Management and Homeland Security

Hell so does Illinois

Welcome to IEMA

Based on their nice websites I can see that there are tons of full time emergency management personnel in each state who are paid to do nothing but plan for emergencies and the response to those emergencies. It seems like it would be pretty easy for those people who know their states, supplies and capabilities to have a conversation without an entire group of FEMA employees getting in the middle.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:47 PM
 
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Q- With hurricane Katrina, FEMA's response was lousy. Why weren't Louisiana and Mississippi able to take adequate action (assuming they have their own "Offices of Emergency")?
The promise of FEMA is that if a specific state is hit hard, somone will come to their help and resources will be shared. With the current economy, I do not think many states are capable of managing or alocating significant resources in case of emergency.
But FEMA is not a holy institution. If a better solution is proposed, why not?
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:59 PM
 
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Q- With hurricane Katrina, FEMA's response was lousy. Why weren't Louisiana and Mississippi able to take adequate action (assuming they have their own "Offices of Emergency")?
The promise of FEMA is that if a specific state is hit hard, somone will come to their help and resources will be shared. With the current economy, I do not think many states are capable of managing or alocating significant resources in case of emergency.
But FEMA is not a holy institution. If a better solution is proposed, why not?
Hurricane Katrina made landfall and did most of it's actual hurricane damage in Mississippi and the emergency response there was exactly what was expected. The hurricane Katrina that everyone seems to remember though is the flooding of New Orleans caused by levee failures... not extreme wind damage like Mississippi. The state of LA and it's elected officials along with the mayor of New Orleans hold a majority of the responsibility for the failures during hurricane Katrina. They did nothing but worsen FEMA's already delayed response and help, nobody was prepared for what took place in New Orleans.

Since that storm great improvements have been made to both state's office of emergency management and the gov. and mayor of Louisiana are both no longer in office thank god.

Louisiana

Governor's Office of Homeland Security & Emergency Preparedness | State of Louisiana

Mississippi

Mississippi Emergency Management Agency

Had these 2 state offices been run correctly and had they had the full support of surrounding states they should have and could have easily handled Katrina. The state of TX took in thousands of Katrina refugees after the storm, do you think we needed FEMA to figure that out?
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Northern CA
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Would you look at that, Connecticut has it's very own Office of Emergency Management just like Vermont.

Department of Emergency Management and Homeland Security

Hell so does Illinois

Welcome to IEMA

Based on their nice websites I can see that there are tons of full time emergency management personnel in each state who are paid to do nothing but plan for emergencies and the response to those emergencies. It seems like it would be pretty easy for those people who know their states, supplies and capabilities to have a conversation without an entire group of FEMA employees getting in the middle.
nope, too logical
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