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Old 08-30-2011, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The Republican party should not pretend it's something it's not to get elected. It is still the Bush party. A vote for any Republican in 2012 (save Ron Paul) is a vote for neo-con foreign policy and deeper debt due to stupid tax cuts.
Once again, tax cuts ("stupid" or not) do not cause debt. Overspending does. But I doubt liberals will ever understand that.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:18 PM
 
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I not a Republican, but confess to being a conservative. Sometimes one has little or no choice when it comes time to vote, and just has to hold the 'ol nose and vote for the candidate who gets the closest to matching ones philosophies. Bush got elected simply because the Democrats nominated two dimwit liberal losers to oppose him. That's the same scenario that got Obozo elected,...the Republicans had no viable candidates to oppose him.

2012 may be a different election altogether. I think an 'ol Yeller Dog could beat Obozo. The only way Obozo can win is to BUY the election with George Soros' money. So let's get ready for the "infomercials", a lot of tweeting, a lot of yammering, fingerpointing, and not much substance from the Empty Suit in the Oval Office. Michelle better make use of Air Force II and take a lot of vacations,....it may be the last paid vacation she will get for a while.
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Old 08-30-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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Once again, tax cuts ("stupid" or not) do not cause debt. Overspending does. But I doubt liberals will ever understand that.
The CBO, the nonpartisan board that is charged with providing cobjective facts to Congress disagrees:

On the revenue side, the Bush tax cuts — formally the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 — were the biggest chunk of lost income: $1.5 trillion. That dwarfs all other revenue changes, including tax cuts in the 2009 stimulus. The 2001 tax cut alone is bigger than any other single change, representing $1.2 trillion from 2002-11.


It's nice to see you admit though that a vote for a Republican is a vote for more Bush policies.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:14 PM
 
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I not a Republican, but confess to being a conservative. Sometimes one has little or no choice when it comes time to vote, and just has to hold the 'ol nose and vote for the candidate who gets the closest to matching ones philosophies. Bush got elected simply because the Democrats nominated two dimwit liberal losers to oppose him. That's the same scenario that got Obozo elected,...the Republicans had no viable candidates to oppose him.

2012 may be a different election altogether. I think an 'ol Yeller Dog could beat Obozo. The only way Obozo can win is to BUY the election with George Soros' money. So let's get ready for the "infomercials", a lot of tweeting, a lot of yammering, fingerpointing, and not much substance from the Empty Suit in the Oval Office. Michelle better make use of Air Force II and take a lot of vacations,....it may be the last paid vacation she will get for a while.
Well, I just hope the Americans who vote for this ol' Yeller Dog realize that they are just voting for a Bush by another name -- because the platform of the Republican Party has not changed one iota since Bush.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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I'll make it simple for you gents. Why are Republicans trying to pretend that they aren't still the party of Bush? They are. The policies that Bush enacted are the exact same policies we'll have if any Republican (save Ron Paul) is elected in 2012. Why are Republicans trying to disengenously pretend this isn't the case?

FYI, I don't hate all Republicans, Roy. I don't care for Coulter and Malkin, but I don't hate Republicans who don't hate me.


Bush policies?

Hmm, not sure what you mean by "Bush policies".

Could you name some "Bush policies"?
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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What kills me is that Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney is still a popular figure and even hero of sorts amongst the establishment Right. The guy was the antithesis of what the Republican Party has rebranded itself into in recent years.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:52 PM
 
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What kills me is that Dick "deficits don't matter" Cheney is still a popular figure and even hero of sorts amongst the establishment Right. The guy was the antithesis of what the Republican Party has rebranded itself into in recent years.


What kills me is liberals still use that unsubstantiated "quote" from O'Neill who was fired by VP Cheney personally.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:59 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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What kills me is when people assume I'm a liberal!
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:03 PM
 
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What kills me is when people assume I'm a liberal!
Anyone who isn't a far right wing nutcase or speaks any kind of common sense will get you bashed as a "liberal" from the goons.
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Old 08-30-2011, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The CBO, the nonpartisan board that is charged with providing cobjective facts to Congress disagrees:

On the revenue side, the Bush tax cuts — formally the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 — were the biggest chunk of lost income: $1.5 trillion. That dwarfs all other revenue changes, including tax cuts in the 2009 stimulus. The 2001 tax cut alone is bigger than any other single change, representing $1.2 trillion from 2002-11.


It's nice to see you admit though that a vote for a Republican is a vote for more Bush policies.
Newsflash! The government revenue increased after the 2001 recession and Bush's two tax cuts were passed.

It would be nice for you to admit facts.
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