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Have the facade of one, is not same as having one. Sharia law, minority muslim group killings, unfair judicial system....more than that is for another thread.
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As to Israel I think it is approaching a critical point.
It is. But it should be between the Jews and the Arabs of that country and no one else.
Have the facade of one, is not same as having one. Sharia law, minority muslim group killings, unfair judicial system....more than that is for another thread.
It is. But it should be between the Jews and the Arabs of that country and no one else.
Do you know what nations were most heavily involved in the creation of modern Israel? You sure don't sound like you do, but then . . . . . . . .
I cheated on you and went to the page on YouTube that you had to get this video from, if you got it yourself, and found that not one case of Palestinians mistreating Israelis was on that page.
You have to know that showing something from NOW and Code Pink and then following it up with this one is just a shade smelly, I hope. What if I get some Jewish page that shows all that kind of crap propaganda about Palestinians and post them to you. Most lefties don't read any link I post anyway so I guess we know.
And that's the big question which goes unanswered.
Why is the most powerful lobby group in Washington lobbying on behalf of a foreign power and composed of almost entirely of Americans(Jewish) who put Israel first?
And why does our government bow down to them?
It seems that you don't have any ideas about who was most instrumental in the creation of modern Israel any more than some others do. You ought to check it up from some other place than NOW, FreeSpeechTV or any of the left blogs so many here get their info from.
Have the facade of one, is not same as having one. Sharia law, minority muslim group killings, unfair judicial system....more than that is for another thread.
I think you are very wrong, and you would realize that if you actually went to Indonesia. There are tons of bars and nightclubs there, hardly what you would think of in Sharia law. Muslim parties get maybe 14% of the vote, and only one province (Aceh) has sharia law as part of a peace deal. Once more you tend to hear about Muslim group killings because they are reasonably rare and often result in police crackdowns and high level prosecutions.
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Originally Posted by NeilVA
It is. But it should be between the Jews and the Arabs of that country and no one else.
The world is so globalized it doesn't work that way anywhere, anymore in practice.
The world is so globalized it doesn't work that way anywhere, anymore in practice.
The attention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets is totally disproportionate. Today there are about 100 ethnic conflicts raging all over the world, yet you hear almost nothing about:
South Sudan, Tamils, Russia - Chechnya, Turkey – Kurdistan, Nigeria, Nepal, Tibet, etc.
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The attention the Israeli-Palestinian conflict gets is totally disproportionate. Today there are about 100 ethnic conflicts raging all over the world, yet you hear almost nothing about:
South Sudan, Tamils, Russia - Chechnya, Turkey – Kurdistan, Nigeria, Nepal, Tibet, etc.
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I agree there is disproportionate attention to Israel-Palestine, but in every single conflict you mentioned, and more there is substantial international involvement. Take Turkey-Kurdistan. It is not just between the Turks and Kurds. It also involves Iran, Syria, Iraq, and the Arab league and gets a fair amount of attention from the US and EU. Not to mention that in most African conflicts China, the EU and the US all take sides. Europe is heavily involved with Nigeria, China is in Zimbabwe, Angola, and Sudan, and the US has always had a keen eye on South Africa.
My point is simply to say that regional conflicts just aren't regional anymore. Thus why I said.
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Originally Posted by Randomstudent
The world is so globalized it doesn't work that way anywhere, anymore in practice.
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what i don't understand is how people don't see that there are atrocities on BOTH sides and that we should stay out of it. rachel corrie maybe shouldn't have been there, (again, it isn't our issue) but she was, in fact, murdered. she thought she was doing good for the palestinians, just as the pro israel people think they are "protecting" israel.
why can some people see idealism only on ONE side of an issue? there are always shades of gray.
this is a serious question. how far do we need to go in protecting israel?
they have nuclear weapons that they can use when/if they choose to use them. they are capable of defending themselves if they need defense, and they have every right to defend themselves.
do we need to get involved in their border dispute? what do WE gain as a country?
We gain credibility as a nation which stands by its democratic ally in the face of the autocratic/ totalitarian neighbor-states and corrupt theocracies which seek to wipe her out.
America either stands for the rule of law or not. Everything else in this thread is smoke and mirrors.
Do you know what nations were most heavily involved in the creation of modern Israel? You sure don't sound like you do, but then . . . . . . . .
For all I know, those were mostly people from the Soviets, and mostly those who could not put up with anyone for their bad temper and greed, so they had to leave.
But how is any of that related to the fact that America sends Israel 3 billion dollars a year so they could buy tanks and buldozers to systelmatically exterminate civil population of Gaza? I do not get it.
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I cheated on you and went to the page on YouTube that you had to get this video from, if you got it yourself, and found that not one case of Palestinians mistreating Israelis was on that page.
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Haha. You have no idea what is going on in that part of the world, are you? "Palestinians (who are under the military occupation of Israel) mistreating Israelis"...
very funny indeed.
God grief... why don't you just get back to bashing environmentalists? that's a lot simpler and less embarassing for yourself. You do not even have to read any news for that .
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