Can evolution continue to survive? (against, liberals, Memphis, accuse)

[Strel]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I didn't bring it up. But having said that, evolution is tied closely with abiogenesis

No, it isn't.

and the idea of no God.

No, it isn't.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Strel

No, it isn't.





No, it isn't.

sure it is. To have evolution, one must disprove a creator. Theistic evolution is a horrible, horrible idea.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I'm here now history dude. Name one thing in the universe that exists without a cause. Heck....explain how the universe can exist without a cause.

Again... with feeling...

Nothing in the universe exists without a cause. This is in contrast to your beliefs in which something does exist without a cause: God.

The universe is not a "thing." It is the conceptual label we assign to all things that exist. As long as one thing exists, there is a universe. And we know from the laws of conservation and causality that something must have always existed.

Hence: The universe is eternal and uncreated.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

sure it is. To have evolution, one must disprove a creator. Theistic evolution is a horrible, horrible idea.

Wow.. since when do you get off telling God what he can or cannot do?

[Strel]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

sure it is. To have evolution, one must disprove a creator.

Nope.

Here again is your hard-wired binary thinking at work. You reduce the infinite possibilities of reality to two false choices.


This is a Creationist idea, not a scientific one. The science of evolution says nothing whatsoever about the existence of God one way or the other.

All it does is what many other areas of valid science do: to make the literal interpretation of religious text problematic for those foolish enough to believe that religious texts should be interpreted literally.

That's your problem, and it is one of your own creation. The majority of Christians on this planet, let alone adherents to other religions, have no trouble reconciling the fact of evolution with their spiritual beliefs.

Nothing in evolutionary science refutes or even addresses the existence of a Creator.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by HistorianDude

Wow.. since when do you get off telling God what he can or cannot do?

I don't. But I can tell you what God has said he's done.

[Strel]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I don't. But I can tell you what God has said he's done.

Unless you were there when He said it, you can't.

Do I have to explain the problem with hearsay evidence again?

Really?

[twinArmageddons]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

sure it is. To have evolution, one must disprove a creator. Theistic evolution is a horrible, horrible idea.

To you.

However, many Christans have no problem accepting such.

[Calvinist]

Originally Posted by Strel

Unless you were there when He said it, you can't.

Do I have to explain the problem with hearsay evidence again?

Really?

We have a book that he gave us to explain what he did.

But that's not the only reason I think evolution is a sham...or why you can't figure out how to counter the cosmological argument.

[HistorianDude]

Originally Posted by Calvinist

I don't. But I can tell you what God has said he's done.

That you believe that is merely a symptom.