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Old 09-01-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Fertility clinics "dispose of" unused embryos.

Most people donate them or freeze them. I serisouly doubt many unused embryos, of baby making quality, go in the 'disposal'.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Most people donate them or freeze them. I serisouly doubt many unused embryos, of baby making quality, go in the 'disposal'.
50% of people donate them, the rest dispose of or freeze them. Gee, leaving them in a freezer for ever is so much better. There's no easy way around this, it's a very complicated issue for sure.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Forever? Hardly. They are used within a couple months for unsucessful IVF attempts or within a few years when the couple is ready to have more babies.
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Old 09-01-2011, 12:45 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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an embryo has the POTENTIAL to become a human being.

an embryo is NOT a human being.

big difference.

study something more than the bible.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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50% of people donate them, the rest dispose of or freeze them. Gee, leaving them in a freezer for ever is so much better. There's no easy way around this, it's a very complicated issue for sure.
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Forever? Hardly. They are used within a couple months for unsucessful IVF attempts or within a few years when the couple is ready to have more babies.

The have a "shelf life" so to speak. I believe it's about 30 months. My co-worker got "implanted" with her frozen embryo at that point in time (after the embryos had been made), and hers didn't take. Another woman I know had twins and had three left over. Just as they were going to expire, she had them implanted and all three took. She has five kids ~ 2 1/2 years apart! When my friend and I were talking about this I said, "I think I would have probably just let them expire so I wouldn't have to make the decision to destroy them". She agreed.
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Old 09-01-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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Selective reduction culls embryos that are not necessarily ones that "failed to take".
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Selective reduction culls embryos that are not necessarily ones that "failed to take".
True, but that's after they've been implanted.
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Old 09-01-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Forever? Hardly. They are used within a couple months for unsucessful IVF attempts or within a few years when the couple is ready to have more babies.
Those don't fall under the category of unused.
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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IVF : Failure & Treatment

When they attempt to implant those embryos and those embryos fail to impant, who gets charged with the multiple homicides? I mean, look....they just killed a lot of people. I'd say put the mom in jail for life. After all, they were OK before they met her, right? Once inside, they didn't stand a chance.

Maybe just manslaughter. See how dumb this line of thought sounds?
If you're murdering people with abortion, then you're murdering people with fertility clinics. Or at least playing dice with God.
No, it is very different: you are comparing abortion with the attempt to help a woman get pregnant, not destroying a baby diliberately. I would have a problem if more than one egg were inplanted and I was carrying 4 or more babies. I don't think I could choose selective reduction. That is when it becomes taking a life.

All you are trying to do is open up a can of worms to try and compare apples and oragnes.

Nita
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Old 09-01-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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I support a woman's right to choose what to do with her own womb. I don't believe it becomes the U.S. government's when she gets pregnant. I think fertility clinics are OK, too.

I just think it's weird to condemn one for killing embryos and and to be silent on the other... which also kills embryos. Shouldn't pro-life people be condemning them as loudly as abortion clinics? Shouldn't politicians as well? I think it's obvious why they don't (you'd look pretty bad condemning things that could help a lady get pregnant), but still, how strong are their convictions. Or are convictions merely convenient?

P.S. Had a friend that had to get fertility treatments. It's not cheap.
what does it not being cheap have to do with this discussion?

Nita
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