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Location: Georgia, on the Florida line, right above Tallahassee
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Originally Posted by nmnita
what does it not being cheap have to do with this discussion?
Nita
Not much. Perhaps it shows I have a smidgeon of understanding of the subject matter. Perhaps it shows nothing at all. It's heartbreaking when people want a child and can't conceive one.
One could argue that the intent justifies an embryo's death. One could also argue that no intent whatsoever justifies an embryo's death. What I'm arguing is that one has a possibility of death in the fertility clinic, and one's death is virtually assured in the abortion clinic.
If you wanted an analogy, fertility clinics play Russian roulette with embryo's. Some make it, some don't. In an abortion clinic, all 6 chambers are loaded.
It boils down to, if it's a person - as I've seen claimed so many times - then you're gambling with a person's life. If it's not a person, then you're not. It can't be OK to not really care if embryo's die in fertility clinics while being upset about embryo's dying in an abortion clinic.
It's like telling a judge you killed your wife because she was mean, or you killed your wife because you didn't want to pay her bills any more. It's still murder. Intent doesn't matter. She's still dead.
The have a "shelf life" so to speak. I believe it's about 30 months. My co-worker got "implanted" with her frozen embryo at that point in time (after the embryos had been made), and hers didn't take. Another woman I know had twins and had three left over. Just as they were going to expire, she had them implanted and all three took. She has five kids ~ 2 1/2 years apart! When my friend and I were talking about this I said, "I think I would have probably just let them expire so I wouldn't have to make the decision to destroy them". She agreed.
Please, I beg you, I beg everyone, STOP SAYING AN EMBRYO WAS IMPLANTED! An embryo was TRANSFERRED. After embryo transfer, it may or may not implant. One does not "implant an embryo." Implantation is a biological process that is outside of human control.
The have a "shelf life" so to speak. I believe it's about 30 months. My co-worker got "implanted" with her frozen embryo at that point in time (after the embryos had been made), and hers didn't take. Another woman I know had twins and had three left over. Just as they were going to expire, she had them implanted and all three took. She has five kids ~ 2 1/2 years apart! When my friend and I were talking about this I said, "I think I would have probably just let them expire so I wouldn't have to make the decision to destroy them". She agreed.
Is "letting them expire' substantially different that disposing of them?
Is letting someone starve to death equal to strangling them?
In both cases, one is active, one is passive but the results are the same.
Is "letting them expire' substantially different that disposing of them?
Is letting someone starve to death equal to strangling them?
In both cases, one is active, one is passive but the results are the same.
Oh, I agree!
And they are hardly human beings at that point, so starvation and strangling are not appropriate terms to use.
My wife and I thought we'd have to do infertility treatments when we had our kids. We drew the line at that because we didn't want to be responsible for embryos that died, or for embryos that were destroyed when we got pregnant and didn't want any more.
That was the same reasoning my husband and I had. We tried fertility pills but did not go further since embryos would have to be destroyed.
Fertility clinics are so new and what they do is so new my church can't keep up with it so they need to study and come out with their view on it. I depend on my church to guide me on issues of morality. Most of us need mentors.
That was the same reasoning my husband and I had. We tried fertility pills but did not go further since embryos would have to be destroyed.
Fertility clinics are so new and what they do is so new my church can't keep up with it so they need to study and come out with their view on it. I depend on my church to guide me on issues of morality. Most of us need mentors.
New? In-vitro pregnancy has been going on successfully since 1977, 34 years now.
New? In-vitro pregnancy has been going on successfully since 1977, 34 years now.
Just shows my church goes about medical things slowly. They do condemn in-vitro and that is why I did not do it. Fertility clinics do other things though and some fertility treatments are ok. They are not set up to do mega abortions which is clear cut, like PP. Even if PP does well woman exams they are the largest provider of abortions.
Just shows my church goes about medical things slowly. They do condemn in-vitro and that is why I did not do it. Fertility clinics do other things though and some fertility treatments are ok. They are not set up to do mega abortions which is clear cut, like PP. Even if PP does well woman exams they are the largest provider of abortions.
Why the double standard? It is OK for fertility clinics to kill embryos because they do other stuff too.....but not Planned Parenthood.
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