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Old 09-03-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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It seems you didn't watch the video.
I don't need a video to tell me that you don't have to have an abortion if you don't want to have one (short of being forced at gunpoint).
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Old 09-03-2011, 11:56 AM
 
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Seems simple to me. If you're pregnant and don't want an abortion, don't have one.
It isn't always that "simple". Many young women, especially teenagers, have not reached full psychological maturity and are easily swayed or influenced by pressure from others. She may not really want to have an abortion but she doesn't want to be pregnant either. There's a lot of inner conflict in play. Whatever she ends up doing may well affect her for the rest of her life and coming to terms with a decision to abort is a difficult road for some.
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:01 PM
 
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Some women are coerced into sex when they have misgivings. Some women are coerced into marrying when they have misgivings. Some women are coerced into moving elsewhere due to a husband's job offer when they'd prefer to stay where they are. None of this makes the thing being coerced into bad in and of itself.

And as others point out, prohibiting abortion would really be taking away choice. If you are anti-choice, why would you care that some women feel they didn't have a choice when it came to their abortion? That's just what you want, only you want the opposite outcome (no abortion).
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: California
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It isn't always that "simple". Many young women, especially teenagers, have not reached full psychological maturity and are easily swayed or influenced by pressure from others. She may not really want to have an abortion but she doesn't want to be pregnant either. There's a lot of inner conflict in play. Whatever she ends up doing may well affect her for the rest of her life and coming to terms with a decision to abort is a difficult road for some.
When talking about a teen you also have to consider who is taking care of her. They may not want to take care of her baby as well so it's a legitimate arguement. The teen will then need to decide what is more important to her, it is her choice. The fact is that sometimes the choice is having an abortion so the rest of her life isn't toppled...that makes some people mad and they seem to be saying she be able to choose to give birth AND not suffer any negative reprocussions in other areas of her life. That's impossible and people need to accept it. Being "coerced" isn't the nasty thing people are implying, it's input plain and simple. Women are "coerced" into having babies, getting married, doing this, doing that. So are men. It's life.
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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When talking about a teen you also have to consider who is taking care of her. They may not want to take care of her baby as well so it's a legitimate arguement. The teen will then need to decide what is more important to her, it is her choice. The fact is that sometimes the choice is having an abortion so the rest of her life isn't toppled...that makes some people mad and they seem to be saying she be able to choose to give birth AND not suffer any negative reprocussions in other areas of her life. That's impossible and people need to accept it. Being "coerced" isn't the nasty thing people are implying, it's input plain and simple. Women are "coerced" into having babies, getting married, doing this, doing that. So are men. It's life.

This is why I think some IMPARTIAL counseling would benefit those women who are not sure what they want to do but I know that "abortion counseling" is a hot-button no-no for most pro-choicers.

BTW, I am pro-choice but sometimes women in this situation could be helped by some outside counseling with someone not affiliated with either side of this debate.
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Old 09-03-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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It isn't always that "simple". Many young women, especially teenagers, have not reached full psychological maturity and are easily swayed or influenced by pressure from others. She may not really want to have an abortion but she doesn't want to be pregnant either. There's a lot of inner conflict in play. Whatever she ends up doing may well affect her for the rest of her life and coming to terms with a decision to abort is a difficult road for some.
So? It's still her decision whether to have an abortion or not. If she's not ready to make that kind of decision, then don't get pregnant.
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Old 09-03-2011, 01:26 PM
 
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So? It's still her decision whether to have an abortion or not. If she's not ready to make that kind of decision, then don't get pregnant.
In a perfect world where everyone is clear headed and can think ahead about potential problems that might show up long after the heat of the moment has passed, this might be possible. Otherwise......uh.......no.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:04 PM
 
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I don't know why you can't make the leap of understanding. Adoption is hard now when they are so many abortions and the bad rap it is getting. Let women decide to have the baby and let it be adopted, quit telling them it is bad, then adoption will get easier. Adoption is not a bad choice.
For someone who will never be young , alone, desperate, poor and pregnant it must be so easy for you to direct and judge the lives of those who are....

Such an "I am God" attitude in anyone is offensive as is the callousness, jealousy, lack of empathy, lack of understanding of real life and dishonesty of made up "facts".....
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:11 PM
 
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For someone who will never be young , alone, desperate, poor and pregnant it must be so easy for you to direct and judge the lives of those who are....

Such an "I am God" attitude in anyone is offensive as is the callousness, jealousy, lack of empathy, lack of understanding of real life and dishonesty of made up "facts".....

Who is making assumptions now?

Telling a woman to go get an abortion and everything will be ok is not callous and lacking in empathy or understanding of real life and honest?

Both extreme sides are bad. Like the web site says. Some liberal people seem to think those who get pregnant are stupid and shun them until they have an abortion. Birth control is not 100%, ever.
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Old 09-03-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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For the sake of argument let us assume that abortion = murder. Murdering somebody would make you feel very guilty. But can somebody coerce you to commit murder of your own child? Would be quite difficult unless violence or death threats are involved. To say that you were coerced into killing somebody else would rarely stand up in a court of law. Actually, pretty much never.

For the sake of argument again, assume that abortion is not murder - just shedding some parasitic embryonic cells from your uterus. It might make you feel somewhat guilty and stigmatized for having gotten pregnant, but it would not take coercion to help you decide that you are not ready to raise a child. So to say that you were being forced to have an abortion in this instance also makes no sense.

Either way, it makes no sense -- unless at gunpoint, as many have said.
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