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12 months, fellas. I'll still be here. If I lose this bet, lunch is on me
And I'll admit I'm wrong.
But it's going to happen. And with the funny characters the GOP has for front-runners, he may not even have to campaign much. It will probably be Perry, and with his loose mouth, he will be on self-destruction mode, and in a comical fashion, the GOP will hand the WH to Obama again.
Zero job growth isn't funny.
Prolonged joblessness isn't funny.
Double dip recession isn't funny.
Obama isn't funny.
Obama is in for a tough campaign regardless who the Republican candidate is.
Oh, you mean like all the EO's Obama has signed when congress refused him on immigration and environmental strangleholds? You mean that sort of powerless?
A President in the USA cannot achieve much (and especially those things that require Congress' approval) by himself. You should know? Especially when the congress' attitude is... whats wrong with another day?
Tell me how many bills have been pushed in the Congress to do anything about the employment issue since January 2011? For that matter, do you seriously believe that the republican majority would work to get unemployment numbers down and economy to pick up the pace?
Regardless, he's an enabler of those policies. Also, perception among the majority of Americans is that the "buck stops here". Perception is reality.
Oh, you mean like all the EO's Obama has signed when congress refused him on immigration and environmental strangleholds? You mean that sort of powerless?
Talk with specifics. Provide a link to what you're babbling about. I like analysis based personal opinions, to go with credible links that discusses the subject matter.
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Regardless, he's an enabler of those policies. Also, perception among the majority of Americans is that the "buck stops here". Perception is reality.
Yes perception is reality, for the fools that is. And what policies are you specifically talking about? How about, instead of relying on perceptions, we pick up policies brought about in the Congress that were designed to help the economy since Jan 2011?
Obama has said multiple times that he was going to have a laser focus on jobs or has "pivoted" to jobs or had jobs as his number one priority. Is it that he wasn't telling the truth and didn't really focus on it, or is it that he just didn't know how to do anything effective?
A 3 year pivot, by last count. Obamacare got in the way for a year and then of course he started campaigning in early 2011...no time for jobs, just a lot of meaningless speeches.
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I find it hilarious that some people here are trying to put this on the GOP, the party that only beginning in 2011 got one house of Congress back after having huge dem margins there and the senate since 2006 and the presidency since 2008.
Do the lefties really think that blaming the GOP for clear dem failures is going to work? Is that the campaign for 2012 "It's Their Fault!"?
They will try, that's all they have.
Haven't we been told about the wonderful legilative accomplishments of this administration...how much they have gotten done?
Why doesn't he RUN on those accomplishments?
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A President in the USA cannot achieve much (and especially those things that require Congress' approval) by himself. You should know? Especially when the congress' attitude is... whats wrong with another day?
Tell me how many bills have been pushed in the Congress to do anything about the employment issue since January 2011? For that matter, do you seriously believe that the republican majority would work to get unemployment numbers down and economy to pick up the pace?
For 2 years, obama OWNED DC. He had a huge majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate....got a lot done, didn't he?
Unfortunately, what he got done has failed miserably...just admit it.
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How about, instead of relying on perceptions, we pick up policies brought about in the Congress that were designed to help the economy since Jan 2011?
What about obama's policies? Don't want to talk about them anymore? You know, the stimulus that was supposed to create 4 million jobs and keep UE under 8%? Or obamacare, that would be an employment boom, immediately?
The GOP has one chamber of congress, the dems have the WH and the Senate - where does the responsibility lie to get things done?
Where is that 800+ day LATE budget of the Senate dems?
As of November of 2010 the pay out rate for unemployment benefits corresponded to a historic rate of over 17% yet they claimed just 9.8% so take the official numbers with a grain of salt.
NO? You mean his stimulus wasn't passed? Obamacare wasn't passed, Stimulus 2 wasn't passed? Financial reform wasn't passed? Auto bailouts?
Yeah, he got nothing, I tell you nothing done, shultz.
Yes, stimulus was passed... unfortunately, nearly 65% of it was what republicans wanted. Yes, health care reform was passed, and the passage didn't matter to hiring that followed (in fact, ask Rick Perry if you get a chance if he visited an office in Dallas area last year to show his appreciation for being on top in hiring... the reason for hiring he won't dare tell you was largely driven by... health care reform). Oh, and the health care reform wasn't quite what democrats or Obama wanted, too much compromise, too much listening to republican ideas.
Yet, how was the job growth in the private sector for about 15 months beginning in Jan 2010? Got any idea or are you utterly clueless and need my help?
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