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Old 09-02-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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.People that do not have empathy for the health and well being of others do not deserve to take a breath that is not labored. When you see someone that you care about gasping, maybe just maybe, you'd feel a modicum of humanity...though I highly doubt it.
I'm sorry to hear you have trouble breathing. Maybe you should move out of NYC where the rest of the nation enjoys nice clean air.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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You can blame/credit old Fiddlehead,

I e-mailed him a few weeks ago saying that as a lifelong conservation voter, I value environmental compliance, but that I did not feel the timing was appropriate for expanded regulation. I was concerned that small businesses are really on the margin, and trying to expand and that another obstacle to recovery was not needed.

Funny thing is, he will probably get no credit for this among hardcore conservatives, who are so indoctrinated to hate him that they must complain regardless,and he will likely lose some liberal support.

Not mine though. I think the decision was just plain common sense.

Moderates, like Obama, and myself have a sense of proportion. As a society, with the help of the EPA and state agencies and NGOs, we have made tremendous strides in cleaning up the environment. There is more to do, of course, but it is ok to pause at this point until we feel that it is feasible and appropriate to add more controls or initiatives. I think executing the existing regulations and compliance competently should be adequate for the time being.

Now righties, show some graciousness. He threw you a bone, and I think it was the right decision for the times.

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Old 09-02-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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You can blame/credit old Fiddlehead,

I e-mailed him a few weeks ago say that as a lifelong conservation voter, I value environmental compliance, but that I did not feel the timing was appropriate for expanded regulation. I was concerned that small businesses are really on the margin, and trying to expand that another obstacle to recovery was not needed.

Funny thing is, he will probably get no credit for this among hardcore conservatives, who are so indoctrinated to hate him that they must complain regardless,and he will likely lose some liberal support.

Not mine though. I think the decision was just plain common sense.

Now righties, show some graciousness. He threw you a bone, and I think it was the right decision for the times.
i guess i'm not a hardcore conservative, b/c i gave him credit right off the bat. your point about timing is well taken. this struggling economy doesn't need a club to the head right now..
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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i guess i'm not a hardcore conservative, b/c i gave him credit right off the bat. your point about timing is well taken. this struggling economy doesn't need a club to the head right now..
Good to hear it. Seems like people want to paint Obama as a socialist or a closet republican.

I think he is a pragmatist, and we need plenty of that to get out of this hole.
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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Wasn't it last decade that the scientists were decrying the loss of the ozone layer? Maybe putting more ozone into the atmosphere will help it
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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I'm sorry to hear you have trouble breathing. Maybe you should move out of NYC where the rest of the nation enjoys nice clean air.
Where did state that I was the one with the breathing problem? Further proof of "if it is not affecting "me" who cares syndrome.

Unlike many, I have empathy for others. Look up the defintion of the word.

The entire nation has clean air with the exception of NYC?

BTW...Bloomberg has been a major force and advoacate for "Green" energy.

http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/G...nts/Pataki.php

http://www.costar.com/News/Article/B...ildings/111843
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:49 AM
 
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I find this decision appalling. I really don't care what it costs, but the environment and the health of our population is too important to just abandon because somebody cries about the expense. While it may seem that doing so is great for business and is a necessary step in kick starting business into creating jobs, it's a bad move. What it means is that business can now threaten the country with no jobs or spending until it gets what it wants. Isn't that behavior typical of corporations: "We're going to make your life miserable until we get what we want"? Who's the boss here, people or business? Who runs the country, people or business? If we bend over, way over, and let business do it's, um, business to us, we forfeit our souls and our planet.

Why is the comfort of profit more desirable than clean air and deep breaths? I'd rather be unemployed (like I am now, just so you know) in Eden's garden of paradise, than be surrounded by piles of cash and a picture of a tree.

Basically I don't give an ef about what it costs to run your business. Follow the laws, respect the people and the environment, or don't do business at all. You don't have a right to run a business just as you don't have a right to be careless. The environment, the design of our lungs, these things are not adaptable, certainly not as adaptable as business. Why does anyone have to argue something so inherently logical?
You "don't give an ef" how much it costs to run a business because you don't run a business. That's a pretty convenient opinion to hold, isn't it?
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Old 09-02-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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You can blame/credit old Fiddlehead,

I e-mailed him a few weeks ago saying that as a lifelong conservation voter, I value environmental compliance, but that I did not feel the timing was appropriate for expanded regulation. I was concerned that small businesses are really on the margin, and trying to expand and that another obstacle to recovery was not needed.

Funny thing is, he will probably get no credit for this among hardcore conservatives, who are so indoctrinated to hate him that they must complain regardless,and he will likely lose some liberal support.

Not mine though. I think the decision was just plain common sense.

Moderates, like Obama, and myself have a sense of proportion. As a society, with the help of the EPA and state agencies and NGOs, we have made tremendous strides in cleaning up the environment. There is more to do, of course, but it is ok to pause at this point until we feel that it is feasible and appropriate to add more controls or initiatives. I think executing the existing regulations and compliance competently should be adequate for the time being.

Now righties, show some graciousness. He threw you a bone, and I think it was the right decision for the times.
He didn't throw a bone. He's begging for the vise grip on his gonads be loosened enough for him to make an appeal to the Independents that hold the keys to his future. Obama knows his goose is cooked, so he's playing politics. He could care less about what conservatives think.
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Old 09-02-2011, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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He didn't throw a bone. He's begging for the vise grip on his gonads be loosened enough for him to make an appeal to the Independents that hold the keys to his future. Obama knows his goose is cooked, so he's playing politics. He could care less about what conservatives think.
I disagree. Your posts seem to imply that even if he does try to find some common ground, it is a ploy. Like I said, graceless.
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:07 PM
 
Location: California
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I don't know if people consider me conservative or liberal and I don't care but I do think we have enacted plenty of environmentally friendly laws, rules and regulations (most of which I fully support and aren't costing a whole lot anyway) and don't really need to be pushing for more at this particular point in time. I think it was a good decision.
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