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Old 09-02-2011, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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Being on business here in San Juan, got me thinkin'...should PR become a state?

What benefit do they provide the United States not paying federal income taxes but taking a lot of our money?

I'm more than willing to welcome them into the "field of blue" on our flag, but seriously, either be a state or declare independence. None of this "half-way" stuff
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:57 PM
 
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Did you know that income tax does not fund any government services? I don't blame you if you didn't know, more than 3/4 of Americans don't know that. The income tax goes to pay toward the debt and interest to the private Federal Reserve. Puerto Ricans already pay Medicare and Social Security taxes, and FICA* if I remember. Oh, and we play host to the U.S. military as well, and another condition of not paying income tax, we don't get to vote for president or for representation in Congress. Sounds like a fair deal to me.

And it's not just limited to Puerto Rico. I don't get the big deal about Puerto Rico when you also have the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and Northern Mariana Islands as well.



*Someone correct me on that if it's not true
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:09 PM
 
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They aren't the only ones...
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:10 PM
 
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They aren't the only ones...
Exactly. There's also Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. I also believe that the now independent Palau and the Federated States of Micronesia also enjoy U.S. protection due to being freely associated republics with the U.S.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Never Never Land
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Not until they make English their official language!
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:16 PM
 
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Not until they make English their official language!
It already is......
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:27 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I think the Puerto Ricans should vote on it, and we should let them do what they want.
100% agree. But they vote on it every so often and it's always Estado Libre Asociado. I think it needs to be...

Check one.

____ Statehood
____ Independence
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:31 PM
 
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Being on business here in San Juan, got me thinkin'...should PR become a state?

What benefit do they provide the United States not paying federal income taxes but taking a lot of our money?

I'm more than willing to welcome them into the "field of blue" on our flag, but seriously, either be a state or declare independence. None of this "half-way" stuff
There is an international forum on C-D that discusses this kind of stuff from time to time (e.g. the various U.S. territory islands).... just in case anyone cared. Opinions from the islanders are usually a mixed bag.

I'd just as soon cut them loose. I think they need to be under the thumbscrews of the United States (or any other of the big countries) like they need a hole drilled in their head. The benefits they may mooch off us may not be of greater utility than the bureaucratic nightmare from hell that comes along with becoming a state, in the minds of many residents of these U.S. territories.

Yes, they like their free benefits they suck off us.... and yes, we should at least question whether they should even be getting those benefits given their quasi-autonomous nature.... but if I was an islander in one of these territories, I'd view the lack of autonomy as too high a price too high to pay, and I'd view it as making a deal with the devil, just so I can mooch more free welfare money from the devil. That's a utility calculation each islander has to make for themselves, though.

The argument is usually that these islanders would suffer if not for our military protection, and other benefits they enjoy..... and I know that like crack addicts, if we cut off the benefits supply.... they may indeed feel it.... but I say that is a cold turkey withdrawal they need to experience in order to get clean once and for all of the stench of us, because the alternative is crap, in my opinion. Asking them to become another state is like asking them to jump on board our sinking ship, or jumping into the pit of excrement with us. I don't see how they benefit much. All it does is invite extreme misery upon themselves, and for what.... some paltry welfare handouts? Too high a price, in my opinion.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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There is an international forum on C-D that discusses this kind of stuff from time to time (e.g. the various U.S. territory islands).... just in case anyone cared. Opinions from the islanders are usually a mixed bag.

I'd just as soon cut them loose. I think they need to be under the thumbscrews of the United States (or any other of the big countries) like they need a hole drilled in their head. The benefits they may mooch off us may not be of greater utility than the bureaucratic nightmare from hell that comes along with becoming a state, in the minds of many residents of these U.S. territories.

Yes, they like their free benefits they suck off us.... and yes, we should at least question whether they should even be getting those benefits given their quasi-autonomous nature.... but if I was an islander in one of these territories, I'd view the lack of autonomy as too high a price too high to pay, and I'd view it as making a deal with the devil, just so I can mooch more free welfare money from the devil. That's a utility calculation each islander has to make for themselves, though.

The argument is usually that these islanders would suffer if not for our military protection, and other benefits they enjoy..... and I know that like crack addicts, if we cut off the benefits supply.... they may feel it.... but I say that is a cold turkey withdrawal they need to experience, because the alternative is crap, in my opinion. Asking them to become another state is like asking them to jump on board our sinking ship, or jumping into the pit of excrement with us. I don't see how they benefit much. All it does is invite extreme misery upon themselves, and for what.... some paltry welfare handouts? Too high a price, in my opinion.
Yet another uninformed American how can Puerto Rico mooch off the U.S. if we already pay federal taxes? We fund YOUR Medicare, Social Security, and other federal crap through FICA
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Never Never Land
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It already is......
According to Wikipedia it's Spanish & English. Where did you see that English is the official language?
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