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Without having read any other posts, I bet there are many who say that "sex is a right!".
I don't disagree.
But with rights come responsibilities.
Most on the left do not see that fact or stay willfully ignorant.
For society to work, all must take responsibility for their own actions.
This is exactly what I'm trying to say! And again, this thread has gotten off-topic into a debate about PP instead of staying on the subject that some people are not taking responsibility for their sexual choices! Why else do you think there are so many single moms on welfare!? Because their having kids they can't afford! All they couldve done to avoid that is go to the nearest drug store and pick up some condoms and pills! It's far cheaper than actually having to provide for children.
That does not mean people do not want their abortions paid for. This has been discussed endlessly on this very forum. Yes, numerous people right here on this forum have made it clear that they want their abortions paid for on human rights grounds - that human right in their eyes, of course, being health care.
They have particularly argued for paid-for abortions in light of the fact that because we are undergoing health care reforms in the country (and likewise since these reforms did not end with the last reform - the "battle" always marches on with new reforms, be they big or small), and because it is their contention that since abortions are a "legitimate medical procedure which is just the same as any other" in their eyes, then it is simply discriminatory to exclude that one medical procedure on grounds of "politics," but to allow all the others which they view as being qualitatively the same. Hence, they want a rectification of preexisting policies that interfere with that.
I would appreciate it if you would cough up just one post where someone said they wanted the govt to pay for their abortion.
I'm calling BS on this one, I have been a member here far longer than you, and I have certainly never seen anyone post that.
Put your $ where your mouth is.
This is exactly what I'm trying to say! And again, this thread has gotten off-topic into a debate about PP instead of staying on the subject that some people are not taking responsibility for their sexual choices! Why else do you think there are so many single moms on welfare!? Because their having kids they can't afford! All they couldve done to avoid that is go to the nearest drug store and pick up some condoms and pills! It's far cheaper than actually having to provide for children.
That's what sex education, such as that promoted by PP, is supposed to teach. What options there are for contraception, and, how abstinence is the only sure way not to get pregnant. But, I've seen many here post that this teaching should only be done by the parent(s).
And... as some have also said, no birth control is 100% effective.
WTF dude!? I know Bush was horrible with money!! He was no conservative trust me! But seriously I just said WE NEED TO CUT EVERYWHERE INCLUDING A BIG CHUNK IN MILITARY!! Egads! Did you not read my previous post!? Plus, your post is completely off-topic. I was talking about certain programs that I'm sick of getting funding. Especially since some of those people using them are leeches!!
"WTF dude"?? I thought I was addressing a mature adult. Perhaps you weren't old enough to know what Bush and Conservatives did to this country over 8 horrific years. Their view of taxes and cuts is exactly like your nonsense, so re-read my posts and continue to be in denial. Clueless Conservatives (more Bush) today want to cut across the board as you are proposing. I say this is absurd, and don't agree with your view.
I also think it is pathetic for you to presume that everyone who is on welfare is leeching, then use this to propose across the board cuts when obviously this will not help a Bush-damaged economy.
Taxes and spending are necessary to resuscitate an economy severely damaged beyond recognition by Bush and Republicans over 8 years. Mechanisms must also remain to help those who can't help themselves, including those negatively impacted by the ever-present racism and bigotry by those who support the Conservative ideology.
President Obama holds the superior position as usual.
I've always noticed this. Some people want all the freedom but none of the responsibility. Another example. They want to legalize harmful drugs but have the government pay for their health care.
If i make suicide legal do you think you will want to try it?
Likewise with legalizing drugs. just because you can doesn't mean you should.
For me it is an economics issues. 605 of our prisons are there on drug related issues. We spend billions to have a war on drugs that will NEVER work. Drugs are the #1 income source for organized crime... I say cut the legs out from under them.
get rid of the prohibition and you eliminate the cartels... they offer nothing more than you can get at CVS...
health care is something the people pay for the government jsut organizes it to make the rules and opportunity for it.
"WTF dude"?? I thought I was addressing a mature adult. Perhaps you weren't old enough to know what Bush and Conservatives did to this country over 8 horrific years. Their view of taxes and cuts is exactly like your nonsense, so re-read my posts and continue to be in denial. Clueless Conservatives (more Bush) today want to cut across the board as you are proposing. I say this is absurd, and don't agree with your view.
I also think it is pathetic for you to presume that everyone who is on welfare is leeching, then use this to propose across the board cuts when obviously this will not help a Bush-damaged economy.
Taxes and spending are necessary to resuscitate an economy severely damaged beyond recognition by Bush and Republicans over 8 years. Mechanisms must also remain to help those who can't help themselves, including those negatively impacted by the ever-present racism and bigotry by those who support the Conservative ideology.
President Obama holds the superior position as usual.
First off, just because we don't agree on the view of cuts doesn't make my opinion absurd. What's absurd is assuming that spending ourselves IN ALL areas into oblivion will somehow get is out of debt.
Second, that's funny. You didn't call out krshegirl for saying WTF. Hypocritical much?
Third, I never said that EVERYONE who uses welfare is a leech. I only said SOME! Plus, my mom actually knows someone whose living on welfare and is the epitome of a welfare leech! She had three kids with three different men and she claimed to be bipolar. She lives on welfare yet she drives a brand new car. What do you call that?
Another example I can give the the infamous Octomom. She had 14 kids she couldn't provide for and is living on welfare since her attention-whoring campaign on her kids and how haaarrrdd it is to raise 14 kids failed!
Now before you go making comments like "just wait until you have kids," I'm letting you know (in case you haven't seem my thread history) that I am NOT having any of my own.
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If i make suicide legal do you think you will want to try it?
Likewise with legalizing drugs. just because you can doesn't mean you should.
For me it is an economics issues. 605 of our prisons are there on drug related issues. We spend billions to have a war on drugs that will NEVER work. Drugs are the #1 income source for organized crime... I say cut the legs out from under them.
get rid of the prohibition and you eliminate the cartels... they offer nothing more than you can get at CVS...
health care is something the people pay for the government jsut organizes it to make the rules and opportunity for it.
I want to legalize all drugs too. I just don't want to pay for the health care of the people that use them.
You're right. You can't demand complete freedom but then demand the government take care of you.
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I thought I was addressing a mature adult. Perhaps you weren't old enough to know what Bush and Conservatives did to this country over 8 horrific years. Their view of taxes and cuts is exactly like your nonsense, so re-read my posts and continue to be in denial. Clueless Conservatives (more Bush) today want to cut across the board as you are proposing. I say this is absurd, and don't agree with your view.
