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Old 09-05-2011, 10:53 AM
 
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So its back to blamig the republicans for the failed policies passed by democrats again. The failed polices just happen to be a timwe when democrats had complete control. You do know that demcrats have controlled the senate since made term of Bush's second term ;right.
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Old 09-05-2011, 10:56 AM
 
Location: texas
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I say absolutely not. The GOP is misguided here. If a President is able to implement his policies with Congressional approval, and those policies fail, only then can he be considered a failure. Bush is an example of this.

But if a President is unable to implement his plans to help the country, because of Congressional opposition for instance, and the country falters, he cannot be considered a failure. His policies weren't given a chance to work.
In fact, the failure is not the fault of the President, but the fault of his opposition. Such is the case with President Obama.

I find the GOP position here to be completely baseless, and likely to crumble under the weight of heavy opposition campaigning. Absolutely absurd.

Are you really serious with this thread? If so, then
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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how was the economy in good shape?? the housing market was speeding towards the edge of a cliff. what goes up must come down and the boom right before the dem. congress took over was getting ready to burst regardless of who was put in office
Do I have to repeat again for the umpteenth time on this forum on other threads that it was a fact that President Bush sent down orders to Congress/Senate to step in and clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "before" they crashed the housing market...about 7 times during his 8-year term! It was the Democrats that refused, threatening filibuster in the Senate to stop it and Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Chuck Schumer and Chris Dodd that ranted that FM and FM were just fine...could not be better...were run very well by outstandingly competent CEO's, etc., etc. Check out C-SPAN files and you will see the rants of the above listed.

The housing crash was the fault of no other than FM and FM and Democrats. PERIOD!
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Inyokern, CA
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Define "progressive" and explain how it's bad for the Constitution. The United States has always been progressive. If it weren't, women would still be property, blacks would be slaves, and gays would be executed.

Since none of that is around today, clearly we've "progressed".
Oh, my! You must have no idea of what the word "progressive" means in the political arena. This word was "substituted" for the word "Communism" back in the 1920's if I recall my history correctly. It has never changed...only those promoting "progressive" agendas hide the real agenda under the table so that the unknowing will use the wrong definition!
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:12 AM
 
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I say absolutely not. The GOP is misguided here. If a President is able to implement his policies with Congressional approval, and those policies fail, only then can he be considered a failure. Bush is an example of this.

But if a President is unable to implement his plans to help the country, because of Congressional opposition for instance, and the country falters, he cannot be considered a failure. His policies weren't given a chance to work.
In fact, the failure is not the fault of the President, but the fault of his opposition. Such is the case with President Obama.

I find the GOP position here to be completely baseless, and likely to crumble under the weight of heavy opposition campaigning. Absolutely absurd.
Obama doesn't seem to care much about congressional approval...

Solis, the head of the Labor Department, signed a treaty with four nations saying the illegals from their nations would be granted protected status in taking our jobs. That sounds like a great idea for Americans???

Obama's Dept of Justice has been suing states that want to uphold our laws to protect the citizens from illegals taking our jobs and robbing our entitlement programs. That sounds good for Americans????

Obama went two years without even having a budget???? Look where we are! And you want to blame who???

Obama isn't being stopped by any opposition. He just doesn't follow the law. Only the SMALL people have to follow the law under this administration.
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Old 09-05-2011, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Hoboken
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When Republicans had a President at the helm, the country was in a free-fall as Bush's presidency and his administration deemed an utter failure. A Democrat was elected, but Republican obstructionism prevented him from solving the problems he was cursed with from the Bush years. In other words, when Republicans have their way, the country badly falters.

How can you Republicans expect to win the Presidency with such a dismal record going on 11 straight years now? Your candidates sound unqualified, extraordinarily simplistic, without substance, and idiotic.
This is a fascinating whine the pathetic lefties have trotted out. They have been stopped in their tracks, when asked, what was the game changing legislation the Republicans blocked?
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:10 PM
 
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Do I have to repeat again for the umpteenth time on this forum on other threads that it was a fact that President Bush sent down orders to Congress/Senate to step in and clean up Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "before" they crashed the housing market...!
At least as early as 2003:
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New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:17 PM
 
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At least as early as 2003:

Amazing what the left wants to blame on Republicans, isn't it?

I remember old Barney telling everyone Freddie and Fannie were just fine, LOL. And still, he got reelcted. Go figure...
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:20 PM
 
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When Republicans had a President at the helm, the country was in a free-fall as Bush's presidency and his administration deemed an utter failure. A Democrat was elected, but Republican obstructionism prevented him from solving the problems he was cursed with from the Bush years. In other words, when Republicans have their way, the country badly falters.

How can you Republicans expect to win the Presidency with such a dismal record going on 11 straight years now? Your candidates sound unqualified, extraordinarily simplistic, without substance, and idiotic.
Your post is fact-fee. Pure unadulterated propoganda. Bush hade unemployment of 5.3% and an average GDP growth consistant with the average. That is your definition of "fee fall".
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Old 09-05-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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I remember old Barney telling everyone Freddie and Fannie were just fine, LOL. And still, he got reelcted. Go figure...
At the end of that article:
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"These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.
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