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Old 09-13-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I was referring to the American Conservatism.
Oh, why didn't you say that initially?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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I've always wondered why right-wingers despise President Obama so much, when his policies are very clearly right-of-center. Despite the "D" next to his name,.
oh please
obama and bush are/were both PROGRESSIVES
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Obama is our most extremist President ever, and that's beyond debate.

He wants to tell everybody what kind of cars they can buy, disregarding the fact that non-gasoline powered cars will not be profitable for 20+ years, if ever.

He wants private and very well run American companies (such as Boeing) to put plants where he wanst them, regardless of what Boeing's shareholders & other executives want.

He wants everybody to have the same level and type of helathcare, and if there's one industry in which 'one size or type fits all' has disaster written all over it, that industry is healthcare.

His fixation for bending over backwards to increase union membership in this country is his way of telling the 93% of us who are not union members that you don't matter to me, since trying to represent the wants and demands of unionized and non-unionized workers is a blatant conflict of interest.

His party has proven repeatedly that civil service union members are substantially more important to him than non civil service union members, disregarding the tremendous harm they've brought to too many states to mention.

Placing the wants and desires of a bunch of radical environmentalists above the wishes and needs of 300,000,000+ US citizens is unconscionable.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:44 PM
 
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Oh, why didn't you say that initially?
I thought it was implied.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:58 PM
 
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Then why did liberals elect him?
Well it was either him (center-right) or the uber-right loons.

It's like choosing whether or not you want to be ran over by a Dodge Neon or a 16-Wheeler.
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Old 09-13-2011, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Well it was either him (center-right) or the uber-right loons.

It's like choosing whether or not you want to be ran over by a Dodge Neon or a 16-Wheeler.
Exactly. If there were a real progressive in the field, I'd choose her (or him) over Obama. Right now, it's the lesser of two evils. McCain was at least somewhat reasonable . . . the 2012 Republican field is pretty much the lunatic fringe. I may vote third-party in 2012 . . . it depends on how close the race is. I hate that our only real choice is between a conservative and a far-right extremist. Why can't we have someone like Jack Layton (Jack Layton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) here in America? Why can't we have a viable center-left third party in the US, like Canada's NDP (New Democratic Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia), to counter the center-right Dems and the far-right Repubs? It seems like most of our true progressives (MN Gov. Mark Dayton; former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean; Sen. Bernie Sanders of VT) have no interest in the presidency.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:06 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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Obama is a marxist.
Ridiculous. What I think you meant to say is "I haven't a clue what a Marxist is."

Half his plans, including the "socialist" healthcare overhaul were GOP ideas at one point. The stimulus was nearly 50% tax cuts, something the GOP LOVES. Until of course...Obama proposed it.

The GOP and their base are schizophrenics with an acute case of amnesia.
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Old 09-13-2011, 09:55 PM
 
Location: ATX-HOU
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I thought it was implied.
Well there are quite a different types of conservatism, I just needed some clarification. I guess I just have a more worldly view.
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:30 AM
 
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I can see your point, while I disagree with some it.

To the bolded: That's an interesting stance. You don't believe that government and the regulations/laws they impose are designed to protect us from ourselves? Not just something that is being pushed? Our government has become too unwieldly, without a doubt, but there is a purpose in these laws and regulations. Unfortunately, they have become too much.
I honestly believe government regulation is the 'easy way out' so to speak. I believe there is always a better solution, however at some point a person stops trying, throws their hands up and resorts to regulation. I believe reform of corporations, health care, etc. should come from common citizens (us) taking jobs with those major corporations and enacting change from within. For the life of me, I don't understand why every die-hard, corporation-hating liberal doesn't work like hell to get a job with those corporations.

I think the major problem with government regulation over private sector effort is that government regulation NEVER goes away, even after it has served its purpose. In the private sector, if something becomes inefficient and unwieldy, it is replaced with a more efficient company that better serves the customer. Sure, sometimes there is pain involved, but in the end a more efficient company exists. With government, that is not the case. With government, the excess regulation and cumbersome systems stay in place forever.

Regulation is nothing short of the solution that people come up with when they are either not intelligent enough or not dedicated enough to reform a company in the private sector.

You know the saying, "the government is best which governs least because its people govern themselves"
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:32 AM
 
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I've always wondered why right-wingers despise President Obama so much, when his policies are very clearly right-of-center. Despite the "D" next to his name, Obama is far from liberal. In fact, he is socially conservative and fiscally moderate, making him a center-right politician overall. Don't believe me? Well, let's take a look at some of his views and policies:

1) Obama has cut taxes more than Reagan. In addition to extending the Bush tax cuts, he also pushed through new tax cuts in 2009.

2) Obama is an ardent supporter of the death penalty. In fact, he was to extend it to include crimes other than premeditated murder. Sources: Abolish the Death Penalty: Barack Obama and the death penalty; Obama backs death for child rapists - 2008 Presidential Campaign Blog - Political Intelligence - Boston.com

3) Obama broke international law to capture and kill Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan, something even George W. Bush and John McCain said they were unwilling to do.

4) Obama has extended the Patriot Act and other post-9/11 security measures, despite his party's opposition to such procedures.

5) Despite his campaign promises and the opposition of many Democrats, Pres. Obama elected to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, even voting for a troop surge.

6) Barack Obama opposes gay marriage, and believes that marriage is between "one man and one woman."

7) Despite the constitutional law of separation of church and state, Obama had an evangelical Christian pastor give an explicitly Christian prayer at his inauguration (not that Christianity is conservative -- far from it -- but Republicans often use the faith as a political wedge).

I think people think Obama is liberal because of his party affiliation and the far, FAR right positions of people like Bush, Bachmann, Perry, et al. As modern-era (post WWII) presidents go, Obama is on the conservative side, and on the global scale, he falls well within right-wing political ideology. Europeans would consider Obama very conservative.





Conservative........................... compared to Lenin.


Obama had the most far left voting record in his brief time in the US senate. Obama is a far left liberal, not a conservative. Bush was a liberal.
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