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Old 09-14-2011, 05:26 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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I take it then, he would prefer to remove all Palestinian Arabs from Israel.
Nope. Their (Fatah) version of a 2-state solution is one being Palestinian (Arab) only and the other being Israeli-Palestinian.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Blankity-blank!
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No need to get into a huffy. As long as America is the main 'negotiator' there will never be a Palestinian state.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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No need to get into a huffy. As long as America is the main 'negotiator' there will never be a Palestinian state.
I don't have a dog in this fight, but, here's a thought.
If they want a Palestinian state so bad (with no Jews) why don't they try to carve out a small chunk of
Syria. No guts no glory. I'll bet the UN would even
get behind that.
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:19 PM
 
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No need to get into a huffy. As long as America is the main 'negotiator' there will never be a Palestinian state.
The main problem is this that both sides know how that the only split of the major issues that would ever be possibly signed by both sides is: no "right of return", East Jerusalem's Arab areas part of a Palestinian state, Israel keeping the dense settlements on the border but disbanding the smaller and more far-flung-out ones. The one issue in contention is what to do with the settlements that could go either way: the small ones on the border and the couple big ones further in. Both sides are in a game of chicken over this and have been waiting for the other to blink on the issue for 20 years. They probably will be doing the same thing another 20 from now. America hasn't succeeded in breaking this stalemate, but, we haven't made it worse either.

This delay in the hopes of a better deal on both sides of course exposes both to long-term dangers. As soon as Israeli's exploding ultra-orthodox population and slowly growing arab population together make up 50% of the electorate it will be electorally impossible for a governing coalition in Israel to come to power that would be willing to dismantle the (disproportionately orthodox) settlements. The other deadline on negotiations is the Egyptian peace treaty: the Palestinians gain real, tangible things from a deal - the Israelis gain a promise from the Palestinians to stop trying to harm/destroy them. If the Egyptian peace deal breaks down, you can stick a fork in the peace process cause it's permanently done.
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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Israel would still be a little vulnerable outpost that costs a lot more to maintain than it's worth strategically. Forget about them.
I am hoping for years to forget about the Israeli - Palestinian conflict. A territorial dispute over a minuscule strip of land that was blown out of all proportions. So much so, that Muslims from Pakistan (2000 miles away) claim that noting can be fixed in our world before that one is settled. Rubbish!
Also Israel / Palestine has little strategic meaning today. No oil, no minerals, no passage like the Suez canal or the Hormuz straits.
What's wrong with the Turkish war on Kurdish separatists? Why not the Yemenite civil war? And Sudan? After Gadaffi will be gone, Libya will be forgotten for 40 more years. Better forget Israel and the Palestinians.
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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LOL. Karma is indeed a bit#h.


Israel is very tolarant of the arabs living in Israel. Does this mean you endorse anti-semetism as a policy in a new Palestinian state?
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Old 09-14-2011, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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I don't have a dog in this fight, but, here's a thought.
If they want a Palestinian state so bad (with no Jews) why don't they try to carve out a small chunk of
Syria. No guts no glory. I'll bet the UN would even
get behind that.
They tried that in Jordan forty years ago. It did not end well. Seems nobody wants the poor Pals....

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:30 AM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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So they want a nation based on the same tenets as Israel.

The difference is I guess they won't have any tourism.
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:46 AM
 
Location: bold new city of the south
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They tried that in Jordan forty years ago. It did not end well. Seems nobody wants the poor Pals....

Black September in Jordan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Palestinians can't get along with anybody. They don't even like each other.

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Old 09-15-2011, 06:22 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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So what, is it any differennt than what the Jews want, did you miss the 20ft walls they put up everywhere?
Casper
Psst,Muslims live in Israel and are Israeli citizens..
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