Your position on gay rights (Israel, suspected, Arizona, employees)
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Because they all share the same goals for equality, dignity, and understanding. And all deal with orientation or gender identity issues, so it made sense for them to band together as a group.
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Originally Posted by Fiyero
Transgender doesn't necessarily mean transsexual. Transsexuals are the ones who believe they were born in the wrong body and seek to fix it through surgery. All transsexuals are transgender. Not all transgenders are transsexual.
Hmmm. Fair enough on both counts, for the most part. Good answers without bitterness.
Now here's my question: a transgendered person who has not had surgery ...may never have surgery? Wouldn't they eventually want to complete the identification process?
You do have the right to marry your mother, your brother or your sister, and you cannot marry a man and a woman, or two men, or two women either. So, apparently this so called right to marriage has its limitations, doesn't it. The topic is not so cut and dry as you thought eh?
Thing is, incest and polygamy are illegal because, in many different ways, they cause harm, either psychologically or physically, to one or more of the participants. Can you point to any harm caused, either to the participants or otherwise, by same sex marriage?
Liberals, at least the ones posting here, are the most close-minded I have ever run across. There is NO tolerance (using the word loosely) for anyone who holds a differing view. Hell, there isn't even any tolerance for anyone willing to acknowledge that both sides have valid points. That the concept of WIN-WIN is rejected reveals an intolerance that is hidden in a lie.
Screw "equal rights for all". "My way or the highway" is more fitting.
Why they should have full rights? Because they should not be, for example, kept from the hospital room when the other is sick, they shouldn't be denied tax benefits, etc.
I can go along with most of that. But sensitivity training is just that - teaching people to treat other people as people. If parents did more of that with their children while raising them, there might be less need of it in the workplace, the schools and such.
Could not agree more about parental responsibility but I also don't see the state nor the employer as the ones to rectify that. Way too "nanny."
And this Christian is going to disagree - in 50 years of Bible study, I've found no evidence that how one is born can be any kind of sin. And one is definitely born homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual or other. It is not a choice, it does no harm to others, thus it is not a sin.
Technically it is not that it is a sin to be homosexual, it is acting on that, according to the Christian belief (surely you ran across that in Bible study).
So no, being born a certain way isn't a sin.
However, just because something may not "do harm to others" doesn't mean it's not a sin. Some things harm our own souls and thus are sins.
I stand by my belief that gays are no better or worse than any of the rest of us in those pews; if we were saints we wouldn't need to go to church.
And again, God loves us equally and certainly does not "hate the gays" like some people either believe themselves or wish to think that all Christians believe.
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Right, I know what it stands for.
But they are clearly two separate things.
There is a huge difference between being attracted to someone of the same sex
and
believing you were born the wrong sex and thereby surgical altering yourself to match such a belief.
They are apples and oranges.
It would be like lumping heterosexuals and agoraphobics together, for example.
I don't think it would be like lumping heterosexuals and agoraphobics together, because while transgenders are distinct from lesbians, gays and bisexuals, they face many of the same challenges. They are discriminated against, and a component of that discrimination is based on sexuality.
Liberals, at least the ones posting here, are the most close-minded I have ever run across. There is NO tolerance (using the word loosely) for anyone who holds a differing view. Hell, there isn't even any tolerance for anyone willing to acknowledge that both sides have valid points. That the concept of WIN-WIN is rejected reveals an intolerance that is hidden in a lie.
Screw "equal rights for all". "My way or the highway" is more fitting.
I agree.
What I am seeing a lot of here (not from everyone but from the vocal majority) is "Be tolerant of those different from you!! Don't be such a bigot!!" and then nothing but rude, disrespectful comments about the feelings of anyone with differing views.
It is apparently the M.O. of C-D.
The fair, mature, and respectful ones know who they are, and we appreciate them.
Liberals, at least the ones posting here, are the most close-minded I have ever run across. There is NO tolerance (using the word loosely) for anyone who holds a differing view. Hell, there isn't even any tolerance for anyone willing to acknowledge that both sides have valid points. That the concept of WIN-WIN is rejected reveals an intolerance that is hidden in a lie.
Screw "equal rights for all". "My way or the highway" is more fitting.
I don't think that's a fair response.
The "separate but equal" argument is also intolerance hidden in a lie. And people arguing against that lie are just as ardent as those arguing for that lie.
I just happen to think that your "WIN-WIN" isn't a "WIN-WIN" at all.
I don't think that when we had "separate but equal" for people of different races, that the people who got the short end of the stick thought it was a "WIN" for them. Do you?
All of that deals with SPOUSES, and having a SPOUSE is NOT a right..
Try again.
So, because I could go into a hospital and tell them the patient was my husband, I could make medical decisions for him? But my friend Roger's partner (who he calls husband) couldn't? Simply because same sex marriage isn't "legal" in their state? The point Hammertime was trying to make was just that! Because they aren't allowed marriage in so many states, they are blocked from the rights and privileges that come with marriage.
Hmmm. Fair enough on both counts, for the most part. Good answers without bitterness.
Now here's my question: a transgendered person who has not had surgery ...may never have surgery? Wouldn't they eventually want to complete the identification process?
I guess it depends on the level of the issue, and their financial means to do it. Insurance doesn't pay for it and it's very expensive. Transsexuals are also required to live at least 2 years as the opposite sex prior to surgery to make sure they can handle the change. It doesn't work for everybody. Transsexuality is very very complicated and still not entirely understood, much like orientation.
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