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Old 09-20-2011, 09:28 PM
 
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You probably have some in you right now (many people have them in their intestinal tract normally), and I bet you had some with portions of your food today (they are one of the most common forms of life). Your immune system usually fights it off when it goes awry, or gets out of where it should be, but doesn't mean that you haven't been exposed just by living.

Any time your immune system fights it there is a possibility of your immune system over reacting and causing GBS. Like many diseases and allergy causing materials. You have a higher possibility of contracting it in a year from the bacteria you have in your system normally then any vaccine (already linked previously), as 60% of GBS cases have no verifiable outside cause.
Big Pharma hates Small Farma.

http://www.ehow.co.uk/info_8170662_a...ial-foods.html

 
Old 09-20-2011, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Big Pharma hates Small Farma.

Antibacterial Foods | eHow.co.uk
The next time you get an infection don't take antibiotics. If you do, you are a traitor to your beliefs.

I bet if you get an extended strep infection we won't hear from you again, as it migrates to the heart if left unchecked.
 
Old 09-20-2011, 09:58 PM
 
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How many eat foods with Campylobacter? Compare that to how much of the population is female upon which the HPV vaccine is being pushed.
Quite a few, actually. I was curious, so I looked it up.

Quote:
Campylobacter is one of the most common causes of diarrheal illness in the United States. The vast majority of cases occur as isolated, sporadic events, not as part of recognized outbreaks. Active surveillance through FoodNet indicates that about 13 cases are diagnosed each year for each 100,000 persons in the population. Many more cases go undiagnosed or unreported, and campylobacteriosis is estimated to affect over 2.4 million persons every year, or 0.8% of the population.
Emphasis mine.

Source: CDC
 
Old 09-20-2011, 10:01 PM
 
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The next time you get an infection don't take antibiotics. If you do, you are a traitor to your beliefs.

I bet if you get an extended strep infection we won't hear from you again, as it migrates to the heart if left unchecked.

My medicine cabinet is more potent than yours.

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Old 09-20-2011, 10:55 PM
 
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Campylobacter... 13 cases are diagnosed each year for each 100,000 persons in the population.
Really? A whole 13 out of 100,000?

How many out of 100,000 persons are female and having the HPV virus pushed on them regardless of the KNOWN risks?

You can be sure it's more than 13 out of 100,000.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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So, back to the figures .... we'll take the two figures as a DIRECT COMPARISON

1) CDC Data showing 1 death out of every 912 participants in the trial.

2) National Cancer Institute numbers show the death rate for cervical cancer in the US is 1.7 per 100,000.

The direct comparison between these two statistics as applicable to the 100,000 figure, we would have 109 per every 100,000 suffering death from the vaccine as opposed to the 1 death from cancer. That's 109 to 1, or 109 times more likely to die from the vaccine than from the disease.

This is the relative point ... not what you or I want to believe, or choose to believe.
The 1 death out of 912 includes deaths by car accident, gun shot, heart attack, cancer, suicide and a host of other causes.

The 1.7 per 100,000 ONLY includes deaths due to cervical cancer.

So, unless you are claiming gardasil makes people more likely to get shot, die in fatal car accidents etc. your point is wrong.

Using your logic, if this man had just been given the gardasil vaccine he would count towards increasing the 1 in 912 figure above proving the dangers of the vaccine. Notice how he did not die of cervical cancer either?

Lawyer Dies in Miami After Shark Attack - News - ABA Journal

That's all I have, it's a pretty simple comparison and I leave it to each person to come to their own conclusion on the logic of the numbers presented.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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I think it was fairly obvious that he was making a joke as to the case of hyperbole used by the earlier poster in saying that Mercury was one of the most toxic substances known to man. But how is this relevant, there is no Thimerosal therefore no Mercury in Gardasil.
It's not a joke or a joking matter. Saying that mercury is one of the most toxic substances known is not hyperbole, it is a statement of fact. Look it up on the charts for toxicity ... one of it's only competitors for toxicity is plutonium. That said, mercury is also found in ALL vaccines as a byproduct of the manufacturing process ... even those that do not use thimerosal as a preservative. That too is a statement of fact.

Though the trace amounts of mercury found in the thimerosal free vaccines may not pose a health threat in the quantities found in the individual vaccine itself (according to FDA safe guidelines), mercury bio-accumulates, and as the list of routine vaccines continues to grow, the cumulative amounts are not being considered or quantified, but can exceed safe levels by a very wide margin. Furthermore, individuals react and tolerate heavy metals in varying degrees, and the existing heavy metal load from other environmental sources for any particular individual is also unknown and not tested for at the time vaccines are administered. This is gross negligence, and demonstrates a total disregard for the welfare of each individual, and a direct violation of the oath to first do no harm. And it is a purposeful deception given that well informed health professionals know this is a serious problem, yet continue to insist these vaccines are safe.

But it's even worse than I say ..... and your overt effort to marginalize the threat mercury poses is an example of how effective the deception has been. You and others really are living in an Orwellian world where ignorance is strength, and up is considered down.

The reality is, science has long understood the extreme toxicity of mercury, and they now know how damaging even ionic trace amounts can be neurologically. Mercury is a neurotoxin, and very small amounts do destroy brain neurons:


How Mercury Causes Neurodegeneration (Brain Damage) - YouTube

Now, just to give you an example of how mind numbingly ignorant the news media and medical profession considers the public (or how tirelessly they work to make the public ignorant).... we have reports like this on television news, reporting on TWO NEW Studies from the American Journal of Pediatrics:


Mercury is good for you! - YouTube

So, we have a known neurotoxin that literally destroys brain neurons, but the medical community wants you to believe that injecting this neurotoxin into infants will somehow enhance brain development and mental function.

And if you believe this NEW information from the Journal of Pediatrics, Congratulations! This guarantees you a score of 100% on the Orwell Test.

There is no conspiracy ... trust what your government and health authorities tell you and .... "just get your damn vaccine ... hahahahaha"


DR. NANCY SNYDERMAN: TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT AND "JUST GET YOUR DAMN VACCINE!" - YouTube
 
Old 09-21-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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It's not a joke or a joking matter. Saying that mercury is one of the most toxic substances known is not hyperbole, it is a statement of fact. Look it up on the charts for toxicity ... one of it's only competitors for toxicity is plutonium.
Yep. The FDA's Mercury in Fish and Shellfish Advisory for pregnant/nursing mothers and young children:
What You Need to Know About Mercury in Fish and Shellfish
 
Old 09-21-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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Let's take a look at Informed Consent's link:

By following these 3 recommendations for selecting and eating fish or shellfish, women and young children will receive the benefits of eating fish and shellfish and be confident that they have reduced their exposure to the harmful effects of mercury.

Do not eat Shark, Swordfish, King Mackerel, or Tilefish because they contain high levels of mercury.
Eat up to 12 ounces (2 average meals) a week of a variety of fish and shellfish that are lower in mercury.

Five of the most commonly eaten fish that are low in mercury are shrimp, canned light tuna, salmon, pollock, and catfish.
Another commonly eaten fish, albacore ("white") tuna has more mercury than canned light tuna. So, when choosing your two meals of fish and shellfish, you may eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) of albacore tuna per week.
Check local advisories about the safety of fish caught by family and friends in your local lakes, rivers, and coastal areas. If no advice is available, eat up to 6 ounces (one average meal) per week of fish you catch from local waters, but don't consume any other fish during that week.


So it is OK to eat fish with mercury, if you avoid large amounts.

The mercury that used to be in vaccines is ethylmercury, which is eliminated from the body faster than methylmercury in fish.

CDC - Mercury and Thimerosal - Vaccine Safety

Still waiting for that link to that JAMA article.
 
Old 09-21-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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The 1 death out of 912 includes deaths by car accident, gun shot, heart attack, cancer, suicide and a host of other causes.

The 1.7 per 100,000 ONLY includes deaths due to cervical cancer.

So, unless you are claiming gardasil makes people more likely to get shot, die in fatal car accidents etc. your point is wrong.

Using your logic, if this man had just been given the gardasil vaccine he would count towards increasing the 1 in 912 figure above proving the dangers of the vaccine. Notice how he did not die of cervical cancer either?

Lawyer Dies in Miami After Shark Attack - News - ABA Journal

That's all I have, it's a pretty simple comparison and I leave it to each person to come to their own conclusion on the logic of the numbers presented.
Just to inject a little common sense analysis (no pun intended), there is an important question that no one really considers or asks.

That is, in alleged safety studies, why would "all cause" data be included to begin with ... especially events that couldn't possibly be associated with the product being tested for safety. i.e. a victim of a robbery/gun shot wound?

The answer is, including such an obviously unrelated event allows for all other events to be more in doubt and subject to even greater obfuscation of the results.

In the case of those other events, like car accidents, most will automatically associate that with the gunshot wound as obviously unrelated to the vaccine. This is the real purpose for this. And it is a fraud, because in the case of Gardasil, many injuries, broken bones, head injuries, car accidents can indeed be attributed directly to the administration of the vaccine because of frequently reported cases of fainting, seizures and passing out as common side effects as listed on the vaccine insert by the manufacturer. What might first seem to be obviously unrelated, can quickly become pertinent ... such as the likelihood of a car accident if the driver passes freaking out!

Just as insidious is the listing of a pulmonary embolism as the cause of death, which may go unnoticed as caused by the vaccine, unless you realize that such a condition is caused by a blood clot, and that the vaccine is alleged to cause blood clots.

Taken a step further, most all drug/vaccine safety studies are performed by and or paid for by the pharmaceutical company that manufactures the product being tested. Now to most people, this would reek of a strong conflict of interest in virtually any other context or industry, but in the medical/pharmaceutical world, this seems to be dismissed as totally irrelevant for some strange reason. That's right, only here in the medical field are we asked to believe that the integrity of these corporations and the watchdog agencies responsible for safeguarding the public health is beyond reproach .. and that surely, if Merck were to discover a problem with one of their vaccines, they'd gladly forgo the Billions in profits, and immediately remove that product from the market.

Of course, I'm at a loss to adequately define in English language terms the inane nature of those living in such a fantasy world. The fact is, and it's been proven countless times in the past that the FDA routinely approves drugs/vaccines without adequate safety testing, and has been caught assisting in the cover-up of data identifying harmful products being marketed.

A drug or vaccine might be marketed for 2, 3 or more years, causing great harm, and only in light of immense public outrage, or internal documents leaked by whistle blowers from the inside are some of these cases revealed. Subsequently, the offender corporation may be issued a fine, which is then simply rolled into the price of their other drugs/vaccines which will ultimately be paid for by the public that was harmed in the first place. So the public get injured, the offender gets fined, and the public then pays the fine in higher prices. It's like suing yourself. Of course, you can't sue the pharmaceutical company for damages, because laws have been passed granting them immunity to legal actions .... and I know of no other scenario or industry that enjoys such unprecedented legal immunity across the board.

But you can trust them ... because they do the right thing even though there is no incentive for them to do so ... and every incentive (Billions in profits) not to. Why? Because they wear white coats, and have fancy initials after their names, and have certificates of accomplishment hanging on their walls ... and they have such great smiles!!!

Now if a member of Joe Public were to market a dangerous product (knowing that it is dangerous) and that product maimed or killed people ... you would be criminally prosecuted and go to prison. But they get a fine, and continue along their merry way, free to do the same thing, over and over, and over again.

And, most of the damage these pharmaceutical corps inflict on the unsuspecting public is thoroughly denied by them and the agencies responsible for watching them. It's only the rare case of indisputable evidence of flagrant wrongdoing that any action is taken against these pharmaceutical giants at all. The general response for any and all injuries from pharmaceutical products are ... just one big coincidence ... a pre- existing condition and totally unrelated to the drug. That's the company line ... that's the story, and they're sticking to it!

So, you do the math ... Mathguy, and tell me what 2 + 2 comes to on your abacus.


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