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Old 10-12-2011, 04:08 PM
 
Location: France, that's in Europe
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Last year Europe deployed 883 MW in new off shore wind generation.
In the first 6 months of this year another 348MW.

If we can do it in Europe why can't you do it in the USA?

European Wind Energy Association - EWEA: Offshore Statistics
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:23 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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More stimulus money flushed down the toilet.

And people want another one ? Are you guys crazy or what ? That tab will end up on your tax bill.
You want to give MORE MONEY to corporates ?
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:48 PM
 
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Last year Europe deployed 883 MW in new off shore wind generation.
In the first 6 months of this year another 348MW.

If we can do it in Europe why can't you do it in the USA?
Perhaps we don't want to pay 43 cents per kWh like Denmark who has the highest percentage of wind generation of any country and also the largest producer of wind mills. Do you realize that's four times the national average here in the US? LOL... spanked again.
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Old 10-12-2011, 04:59 PM
 
Location: France, that's in Europe
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Wish GE would make it's mind up as now there's news of it selling some 4.1MW turbines: Siemens makes first US sale of 6MW offshore turbine - Wind - Renewable energy news - Recharge - wind, solar, biomass, wave/tidal/hydro and geothermal

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“The Siemens turbine is the future of offshore wind, and our partnership with Siemens is a huge advancement and advantage for the Block Island Wind Farm,” Moore says in a statement.
“Not only is Siemens one of the leading technology firms in the world, but they have now agreed to supply Deepwater Wind with their very latest wind turbine technology, one that will move our entire industry forward.”
Siemens claims that the accord shows that the offshore wind industry is gaining momentum in the US.
The 30MW project will be located in state waters 4.8km southeast of Block Island. It includes a transmission cable connecting the island to the mainland grid for the first time.
National Grid, the largest electric utility in Rhode Island, will buy all output from the project under a 20-year power purchase agreement.
The project is scheduled to enter its construction phase in 2013 or 2014, although the timing is dependent on the permitting process and final turbine specifications.
The deal represents an important win for Siemens over its three closest potential competitors in the emerging North American offshore wind space – Vestas, REpower and General Electric.
Siemens is the favoured turbine supplier for the 468MW Cape Wind project and the 396MW NaiKun project in British Columbia.
GE is supplying five of its 4.1MW turbines for the Lake Erie Energy Development Corporation (LEEDCo) pilot project in Lake Erie.
Ignore the bit that isn't in bold: you don't really want to know that while you've been denying that AGW is real, the Europeans in the shape of Vestas, Siemens and REpower have been developing the technology that you will need.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: France, that's in Europe
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Perhaps we don't want to pay 43 cents per kWh like Denmark who has the highest percentage of wind generation of any country and also the largest producer of wind mills. Do you realize that's four times the national average here in the US? LOL... spanked again.
Actually it's more like 0.37 cents, but that's only for households. Industry pays 0.09 cents. File:Half-yearly electricity and gas prices (EUR).png - Statistics Explained

I assume you got your figures from Wiki, which shows 43 cents for Denmark in 2006/7 while the figure for the USA 2011 is 11.20 cents.

Given the range of electricity prices shown in the table I link to, you'll have to make a more convincing case for Denmark's electricity prices being due solely to the amount of wind power that they have. It's probably due to energy taxes, if you look at their gas prices too.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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It's probably due to energy taxes, if you look at their gas prices too.
Doesn't matter what the cause is, it's expensive across the board. GE wouldn't be building a single wind mill in this country without the subsidies and that is just a fact. You can make electric with coal in the 4 to 5 cent range per kWh, that is all costs inclusive over the life of the plant. There isn't a renewable sector that can even remotely touch that price even with the subsidies, period.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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More stimulus money flushed down the toilet.

And people want another one ? Are you guys crazy or what ? That tab will end up on your tax bill.
You want to give MORE MONEY to corporates ?


Oh hell no, but, that is the Obama way is it not ?
Bankrupt the country in 4 years while helping all
your cronies line thier pockets & send as many jobs
as possible to China, right ?

GE is a prime example of an unamerican corporation
funded by a corupt government. They pay no taxes
while soaking up huge ammounts of stimulus money.
Like wise, they create no jobs here, but, create 1000's
of jobs in China. It's almost like Omama is paying
GE to steal our jobs. Down the toilet is about right.

Oh, btw, great post H.T. 1rep.
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Old 10-12-2011, 06:03 PM
 
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Not much hope, but very little change left!
fixed it for you.

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Batteries have pretty much hit their peak. They can hold a decent charge for small electronic applications but are too expensive for vehicles. Solar is viable for many applications but is also limited.
We're on the wrong paths and the green movement is not the way to go. Instead of looking back, look forward to more high tech solutions. I. E. fusion. You get that and you can do away with dams, coal fired generating stations, windfarms, gas, oil, everything.
dont count out battery technology just yet. there are some interesting technologies being developed in the battery field including;

carbon nanotubes
capacitors that release energy in a controlled manner as needed
and even bio batteries.
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: France, that's in Europe
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Doesn't matter what the cause is, it's expensive across the board. GE wouldn't be building a single wind mill in this country without the subsidies and that is just a fact. You can make electric with coal in the 4 to 5 cent range per kWh, that is all costs inclusive over the life of the plant. There isn't a renewable sector that can even remotely touch that price even with the subsidies, period.

And if you can make electricity at 4c/kWh why are you paying 11.2c/kWh now? BTW what makes you think that coal prices will remain static?


As for subsidies: does your price for coal include the externalities that are an invisible subsidy?

What are the historic subsidies to FF companies?
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: France, that's in Europe
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What I find interesting about this thread, is that even though the records show that GE didn't get any subsidies for off-shore wind, none of the ranters have withdrawn their comment.
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