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Old 09-17-2011, 07:53 PM
 
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And he really thinks he's going to get a second term .. the ole unemployment anchor he has around his neck isn't going to go away anytime soon, me thinks
But isn't this the GOP strategy? Cutting government spending equates to eliminating government jobs.
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:29 PM
 
Location: KCMO, returning to Indy in 2012!
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The USPS having dirt cheap rates is a problem, yes, but not in the way you are positioning it. FedEx and UPS have rates that are commensurate with the costs that they incur to deliver packages, and they make a profit...thats how it should work.

Obviously the USPS is operating in a way where their costs out pace their revenues, hence the bleeding of money. Not sure how you can position that as a good thing. As a tax payer, I dont want to subsidize shipping costs for businesses and consumers through my tax dollars.

The rational that UPS and FedEx would "jack up" their prices is an assumption, and there is even an argument to be made that they could reduce their prices (not highly likely) because they would have increased volume and the ability to create more economies of scale and generate more profit just from the extra business. Additionally, it would create other opportunities for someone like DHL, and other smaller delivery services.

Its really a difficult to imagine how extra competition isn't a good thing...unless you work for a monopoly.
You need to do some research about the contracts the postal unions have with the USPS and the funding of their retirement plan. You'll then figure out why they're not making any money.

It is an assumption based on reality. The economies of scale would play a role of course, but in an opposite way that you think it would. Both companies would be faced with increasing the size of their vehicle fleets by more than they can possibly imagine. They would have to build hundreds, maybe thousands of new facilities to cope with the extra workload. They would have to hire hundreds of thousands of new employees. Here is the truth: UPS and FedEx have absolutely no interest in getting in on first class mail delivery. If they could get out of residential delivery entirely they would jump at the chance because it's not their big money-maker.

And here's a good one...what kind of government subsidies would UPS and FedEx wisely request from the federal government in order to assume the responsibility of replacing the USPS?

The USPS needs to be fixed and has to make big changes. Why is congress standing in the way of allowing them to run their own business?
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Old 09-17-2011, 09:53 PM
 
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USPS should be completely abolished. It's wasteful and useless nowadays.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:01 AM
 
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You need to do some research about the contracts the postal unions have with the USPS and the funding of their retirement plan. You'll then figure out why they're not making any money.

It is an assumption based on reality. The economies of scale would play a role of course, but in an opposite way that you think it would. Both companies would be faced with increasing the size of their vehicle fleets by more than they can possibly imagine. They would have to build hundreds, maybe thousands of new facilities to cope with the extra workload. They would have to hire hundreds of thousands of new employees. Here is the truth: UPS and FedEx have absolutely no interest in getting in on first class mail delivery. If they could get out of residential delivery entirely they would jump at the chance because it's not their big money-maker.

And here's a good one...what kind of government subsidies would UPS and FedEx wisely request from the federal government in order to assume the responsibility of replacing the USPS?

The USPS needs to be fixed and has to make big changes. Why is congress standing in the way of allowing them to run their own business?
I have ZERO interest in figuring out why the USPS isnt making money. I have a very good understanding of what you are implying about the requirements to pay to the future funding of the employee retirement funds, and its ridiculous that they ever let themselves get into that situation. Union thuggery is ruining what could be a profitable and very valuable service. Bottom line is that they SHOULD be at least breaking even. It is beyond irresponsible to take tax payer money to operate in a way that is not at least break even. The government is ridiculously irresponsible, they need to find ways to be self sufficient, otherwise they are just wasting money that would be borderline illegal if they were a for profit entity.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:06 AM
 
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And FedEx and UPS are going to do that for $0.44?

Okay.
EXACTLY my point. NO they CAN'T do it for $.44. NOBODY can because its not a profitable method of doing business. If you cant find a profitable way of doing business with my tax dollars, then get out of doing that business and let private enterprise do it for you. Our government was never built to run private enterprise, regardless of the fact that postal service is a constitutional decree....you need to run it in a way that is responsible and self sufficient. Being efficient and practical is not written into the constitution, however it should be expected as a way of doing business if you are going to run an entity that requires my tax dollars to support it.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:09 AM
 
Location: SWUS
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That sucks and all, but someone, somewhere, saw this coming and failed to say something/make the changes necessary to keep the USPS solvent.

I'm sure that they'll figure out a way to save it at the 11th hour so that way the feds sound like heroes for saving the little guy's job.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why? Do you instead want FEDEX and UPS to bail out the Post Office by buying out all the post offices in America?



That would not be a Progressive bailout.

That would be a capitalistic buyout.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:16 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So USPS is still just whining about how broke they are.

Cut Sat service. Reduce mail to Mon-Wed-Fri
Lay off.

Sorry but technology has taken over snail mail and more do online bill paying these days.
USPS didn't keep up with the times like the post offices in Europe did.
Now they pay the bill. Can't keep propping up what isn't needed anymore.
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Old 09-18-2011, 09:30 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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The Post Office in my town is always busy. There is always a line.

Maybe the cuts should come from Post Office Headquarters where a few missing bureaucrats won't be noticed by anyone. The article doesn't mention Headquarters cuts.
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Old 09-18-2011, 01:07 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The Post Office in my town is always busy. There is always a line.

Maybe the cuts should come from Post Office Headquarters where a few missing bureaucrats won't be noticed by anyone. The article doesn't mention Headquarters cuts.

Maybe they should charge you and I .50¢ for every e-mail and on-line post you make??
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